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    First build

    My friend is looking to build his first computer and he's asking for advice, I've never done it myself so I thought I'd ask for advice, current thoughts.

    processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139971

    ram: 4GB (2x2GB) Corsair Dominator DDR2 PC2-8500
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(...P-DHX-plus-Fan

    power supply: OCZ Stealth Xtream 500W
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159...roduct_reviews

    graphics card: ASUS HD 4850 512MB DDR3 Dual DVI HDCP HDTV
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146705

    case: Coolermaster Elite 335 Case
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151368...roduct_reviews

    mobo: ASUS P5QL-E
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149276...roduct_reviews

    extra fan: Hiper 120mm Case Fan
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/105137...oduct_overview

    He also has a 250 gig sata hard drive, one dvd drive and is using a 22" wide screen monitor (not sure on the details here).

    Any advice / suggestions are welcome and I'll relay it to him, oh he was looking to spend about £500, that's not strict but he doesn't want to go overboard.

    Thanks

    edit: changed power supply
    Last edited by Dakkon; 18-12-2008 at 02:18 PM.

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    Re: First build

    Looks nicely balanced......certianly a good foundation - bear in mind that the full 4GB RAM will not be available unless using a 64-bit version of operating system
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    Re: First build

    Indeed vista 64 bit will be used, was a bit uncertain on the power supply, is only a 450w but Corsair seem to have a very good reputation.

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    Re: First build

    The RAM is not worth the money. Use PC2-6400 memory instead as the difference is very small. You can save over £40 getting this instead:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146051

    If your friend likes gaming I would put the extra 40 quid towards an HD4870 instead:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/512MB...VI-I-HDTV-HDCP

    This will make a make a much larger difference when gaming than slighly faster RAM. You may need to get a new DVD drive if both his existing drives are IDE. A SATA DVD drive should cost around £15.

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    Re: First build

    I should have probably mentioned that this will mainly be used for gaming and he isn't into overclocking and will most likely never use crossfire. Thanks for the recommendations.

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    Re: First build

    It maybe worth waiting for a few weeks for a couple of reasons:

    1.)Phenom II is coming out in January and seems quite competitive with the latest Core2 processors(not the Core i7 processors which are very expensive).

    2.)New 55nm revisions of the Nvidia GTX series are coming out sson

    3.)There maybe newer revisions of the HD4800 series coming out to counter the new 55nm GTX series although these are rumours at the moment

    4.)The value of the pound has dropped recently and hence prices are higher.

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    Re: First build

    We both start back at university on January the 12th and he wants to do it before he goes back, is it worth waiting until after the first week of January?

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    Re: First build

    If time is at a premium then it makes sense to build the computer over christmas so that any potential issues are ironed out. It is most likely that availability of Phenom II maybe limited upon launch and the same goes with the newer graphics cards although this is speculation.

    Has he got an OS BTW??

    You can save nearly £10 on the PSU by getting this OCZ 500W from Ebuyer:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159

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    Re: First build

    he'll be using vista 64-bit version, apart from that I'm not actually sure if he has bought it already.

    is it only worth getting pc2-8400 over pc2-6400 if you know what you're doing and want to overclock?
    also if he goes for pc2-6400 is there a better value for money mobo?

    is the MSI P43 Neo-F
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148024...ctype=extended

    a significant downgrade to the

    ASUS P5QL-E
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149276...roduct_reviews

    is it worth saving the £12 and putting it towards say a 4870?
    Last edited by Dakkon; 18-12-2008 at 03:28 PM.

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    Re: First build

    I don't think there's much to choose between those two mobos (though others may disagree - I don't know what either is like to use).

    Absolutely go for the PC2-6400, you really won't see any difference at all against the 8400 unless you're planning a really heavy overclock.
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    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
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    Re: First build

    The MSI board can be had cheaper at Scan:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/MSI-P...00-SATA-II-ATX

    It is more expensive at Play but seems to be in stock as both Ebuyer and Scan are out of stock:

    http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/701406...TX+Motherboard

    For a budget motherboard it has got good reviews:

    http://www.computershopper.co.uk/lab...-p43-neof.html

    http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/mainbo...f-i43p-p1.html

    The money saved is worth going towards a HD4870 as this is signficantly faster than an HD4850!! I think it is around 20% to 30% faster than the HD4850.

    If you are overclocking it is worth spending 10 quid on an aftermarket cooler:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134773

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    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
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    Re: First build

    If you get the following bits from Ebuyer using free Supersaver postage:

    Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Socket 775 (3.0GHz) 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor £135.26

    OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800Mhz/PC2-6400 REAPER Memory Unbuffered CL5 DUAL CHANNEL £37.75

    OCZ Stealth Xtream 500W PSU - 1x PCI-E 6/8pin, 2x SATA 12cm Fan £42.29

    Coolermaster Elite 335 Case - No PSU3 £27.98

    Hiper 120mm Case Fan - Clear HiperFlow Frame & Blades - 3pin with Adaptor/Screws Included £6.74

    Akasa AK 965 (Socket 775) Aluminium with Copper Base Processor Cooler £10.64

    Total: £260.66

    You can get the graphics card off Scan with the free Hexus postage offer :

    512MB Sapphire HD 4870, PCI-E 2.0, 3600MHz GDDR5, GPU 750MHz, 800 Cores, 2x DL DVI-I/ HDTV, HDCP £175.84

    Total: £175.84

    The motherboard will cost £65 off Play unless you can get it for around £50 from Scan:

    http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/698/905...archtype=genre

    So the total cost will be £501.49

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    Re: First build

    managed to find the motherboard on novatech for £63.25, every pound helps .

    the 512MB Sapphire HD 4870, PCI-E 2.0, 3600MHz GDDR5, GPU 750MHz, 800 Cores, 2x DL DVI-I/ HDTV, HDCP

    £175.84

    off scan does appear to be the cheapest one around provided you can get free delivery, what is this free Hexus postage offer? can't find any relation to that or am i just being blind?

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    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
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      • Storage:
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      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
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      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
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    Re: First build

    Check the top of the Scan forum:

    http://forums.hexus.net/scan-care-hexus/

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    Re: First build

    Quote Originally Posted by Dakkon View Post
    managed to find the motherboard on novatech for £63.25, every pound helps .
    Don't forget to factor in delivery as well

    Also about the Scan thing you need 20 posts and you qualify for the free delivery.

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    Re: First build

    ah i see, with the free delivery on scan the entire thing comes to £501.49 including vat and delivery as CAT-THE-FIFTH posted.

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