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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by allyb View Post
    Sorry if this sounds dumb but i have looked at both x48 and p45 mobos lately. what is the difference? iv looked at asus p5q3 v asus p5e64 ie p45 v x48.

    apart form more sata ports i cant see a great deal of diff?
    As Pob said it's got 2 full independant x16 pci-e slots. Now it makes a difference depending on what you want to do. If you're just going to be using 1 graphics card you're going to get very similiar performance on both chipsets. When you crossfire though the X46 will be running x16-x16 and P45 x8-x8. This makes little or no difference when the amount of bandwidth needed for whichever application you run is very little, ie in games only at 2560x1600 does the x48 pull ahead. Although there are exceptions for example like Crysis running on Very High, the x48 will pull ahead early in resolutions such as 1280x1024.

    Also the x48 boards are all enthusiast ones so the BIOS'es and settings will have lots of features to tweak and mess about with, which might help with overclocking, ie they usually have more CPU voltage choices meaning greater accuracy on what voltage you want for your overclock. In some boards you could only get the voltages in steps of 0.1v but now you can get up to 0.00625v differences. But anyway if you get a decent P45 board you'll still have those features, just be sure to check the motherboard manual online to see if it does have those settings and read, read, read those reviews on it whenever you buy

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    I guess intel will just have to learn from AMD's mistake by making it themselves.
    Yeah, although if the price is right they might be onto a winner. But I still think it's complicating things

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by moogle View Post
    Yeah, although if the price is right they might be onto a winner. But I still think it's complicating things
    No kidding...

    With this i5 and i7 business I don't know what they're playing at... Ultimately it's going to take more effort to support a wider range and that won't make much sense unless the chips under the heatspreader are the same with some parts enabled or disabled...and if that's the case why not just have the use of the extra memory channel as an incentive to buy a better motherboard?...

    Price, a proper comparison of exactly what gains there are - if any - and clear notes on what the future holds for the socket, are all needed to determine if it's a winner in the long run.

    That was what annoyed me most with the 754-939 business, when 939 got the Winchesters and 754 didn't I spent quite some time looking for side-by side comparisions of whether additions got you any real performance benefits. By real I mean like increased game FPS, I don't give two hoots about benchmarks.

    How many comparisons do you think I found? None. Nada. The reviewers dropped the ball with that one. It would've been nice to see the benefits quantified so I didn't feel like I'd just been screwed.

    Doubly annoying was that the Opterons were all pin compatible and worked with a bios update when they brought the second memory channel to them - good enough a tactic for business but not the public.

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Well if its as damaging to intel as it was to AMD.

    It may balance things out a bit more increasing AMDs market share

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    so if i only plan on using a gfx card for hd content no gaming it shouldn't effect me?

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by allyb View Post
    so if i only plan on using a gfx card for hd content no gaming it shouldn't effect me?
    It'd affect your wallet

    But yea, it wouldn't affect you.

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Unable to match? Undoubtedly. Let me introduce you to my friend mister memory bandwidth benchmark
    Find me a real world app that gets more than a 2% performance boos going from Dual channel to triple channel on an X58 motherboard and Core i7
    Dual channel has plenty of bandwidth.
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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy3536 View Post
    Yes as that makes perfect sence, AMD are far worse than intel for changing socket sizes for a new range.
    yes intel used the same crappy socket from p4 cedar mill right through to 45nm c2d...

    but you still need a new motherboard/chipset.

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    This is going to suck big ones if you decide to go single card, then SLI/XFIRE half a year down the line.

    New CPU and a new motherboard? Nice...
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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidDeathGnome View Post
    This is going to suck big ones if you decide to go single card, then SLI/XFIRE half a year down the line.

    New CPU and a new motherboard? Nice...
    Why?

    Just buy a core i5, and a p55 motherboard that has two PCI-E slots. You can use one at first when using single card, then the second if for some bizarre reason you wanted to go SLI/crossfire later.

    Core i5/p55 is looking like a great chip/chipset in my opinion. Lots of stuff that you want, without stuff you don't need. Should enable Intel to keep their manufacturing costs WAY down and allow some great value CPUs/motherboards in the performance sector.

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    All depends on how long they support them for. Various people that bought cheap AM2 systems a couple of years ago now have a great upgrade path. If intel pull the plug on the i5 socket sooner than the i7 socket (as happened with socket 754) that will be disappointing.

    Would it be possible for someone like ASROCK to include a CPU upgrade slot like they did with their 754 and 939 boards that allowed upgrades to 939 and AM2 at very little to no performance cost?

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    I still don't understand why they just did not make them both pin compatible?? It just seems a waste of resources IMHO. The worst thing is that if Core i5 is near enough to Core i7 in performance then it may kill sales of Core i7 based systems instead. If there is a significant performance hit for Core i5 then most people may just stick with Core2 or even consider what AMD has to offer too.

    Either way Intel are screwing themselves IMHO and especially with these current world economic problems it is a daft strategy IMHO!!

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    I still don't understand why they just did not make them both pin compatible?? It just seems a waste of resources IMHO. The worst thing is that if Core i5 is near enough to Core i7 in performance then it may kill sales of Core i7 based systems instead. If there is a significant performance hit for Core i5 then most people may just stick with Core2 or even consider what AMD has to offer too.
    Core 2 won't really exist in the same market for the majority of the i5's lifespan, and i7 is for a different market (enthusiast) who will have likely bought their systems before i5 is even released or who want the extra PCI-E lanes or memory bandwidth.

    The competition with AMD is the most valid one at the moment, but AMD will have to buck up a bit because i5 could pull ahead.

    As for not making them pin compatible, Intel have always wanted to tie-in CPU to chipset, and this makes a lot of sense for them - they can offer enthusiast chipsets to go with enthusiast motherboards, and keep margins high across the board even if they have to cut into them on any single component.

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    yes intel used the same crappy socket from p4 cedar mill right through to 45nm c2d...

    but you still need a new motherboard/chipset.
    What is so bad about SKT775, i thought that the backwards compatibilty was excellent!

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmage View Post
    What is so bad about SKT775, i thought that the backwards compatibilty was excellent!
    If by compatability you mean ability to plug a CPU into it but not be able actually boot up then you're right, it was excellent. Unfortunately Intel CPUs often required different chipsets and/or voltage regulation parts, despite using the same physical socket.

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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Core 2 won't really exist in the same market for the majority of the i5's lifespan, and i7 is for a different market (enthusiast) who will have likely bought their systems before i5 is even released or who want the extra PCI-E lanes or memory bandwidth.

    The competition with AMD is the most valid one at the moment, but AMD will have to buck up a bit because i5 could pull ahead.

    As for not making them pin compatible, Intel have always wanted to tie-in CPU to chipset, and this makes a lot of sense for them - they can offer enthusiast chipsets to go with enthusiast motherboards, and keep margins high across the board even if they have to cut into them on any single component.
    But the problem is that many people already have Core2 based systems. The Core i5 has to be signifcantly faster otherwise people will not want to upgrade. If it isn't it also makes the AMD alternatives more viable too BTW.

    The other problem is that if it is too close to the Core i7 in performance and is much cheaper too it will kill sales as most gamers(and enthusiasts) are looking for value for money not absolute performance.
    Most gamers still use one graphics card anyway so the lesser number of PCI-E lanes is not going to a major issue. It is still a stupid strategy as the world is in recession and it is affecting many computer companies already.

    Core i7 sales are quite dissapointing BTW:

    http://pchardwareblips.dailyradar.co..._pickup_until/

    http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...11816&Itemid=1

    The fact that Intel Core i7 demand is predicted by Intel to only start picking up by Q3 2009 is not also a very good sign either. This is what one of the articles says:

    "Although Intel claims to have already shipped around 100,000 Intel Core i7 CPUs, some motherboard makers point out that due to the impact of the dropping global economy affecting consumers' willingness to upgrade their PCs,

    demand for Core i7 is unlikely to pickup until the third quarter in 2009.

    With the cost of entry to upgrade to the cheapest Core i7 CPU and X58 motherboard running at more than US$500, demand will see difficulty in picking up until mainstream segment CPUs show up in the third quarter of 2009. DDR3 memory module pricing will also play a key role in boosting demand.

    But motherboard makers are still holding large P45 chipset inventories which will require 3-6 months to digest.

    In the third quarter of 2009, Intel expects its 45nm quad-core Core i7 CPUs will only account for 2% in the company's total CPU shipments, while proportions for other CPUs are estimated at 45nm Core 2 Quad 16%, 45nm Core 2 Duo E8000 20%, 45nm Core 2 Duo E7000 18%, 45nm Pentium dual-core E5000 30%, 65nm Pentium dual-core E2000 5%, 65nm Celeron dual-core E1000 2%, 65nm Celeron 400 3%, 45nm Atom 200/300 series 4%, the sources revealed."
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    Re: Core i5 to have a different socket to i7!

    If someone hypothetically produces an AM3 board that supports both DDR2 and DDR3, allowing the use of AM2 / AM2+ and AM3 CPUs, it will suddenly become a very attractive upgrade path for a lot of people. An existing AM2 owner user could potentially just buy a new motherboard that would give them a platform to upgrade to some future AM3 CPU / DDR3 variant when they want to.

    If there's one think I look for in a motherboard, it's headroom and potential upgradeability. Intel are just bringing in un-needed uncertainty for the serial-upgrader types like me.

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