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New 2TB hdd on sale in UK
scan is selling the new 2tb monsters.
It's a western digital wd20eads caviar green with 32mb cache. The price at the moment is 258£ which is obscene (it costs 3 times more than a 1tb spinpoint for example). It's also not in stock at the moment but you can preorder.
Anyone has any experience with these monsters, or intends to buy any?
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Its silly when you can buy 4 1TB drives and run a raid 1+0 array for better performance.
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I will be buying a couple in the next few months to start migrating my 5x500GB RAID-5 array. Then eventually will move up to a 5x2TB RAID-5 array.
No-one has any rel hands on experience as they aren't freely available yet. There are quite a few other threads about them though, I know as I've started at least one of them :)
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Its silly when you can buy 4 1TB drives and run a raid 1+0 array for better performance.
Sometime though, you need the data densite that 2TB drives will allow :)
Although, thinking about it, I would be better off upgrading my 5x500GB and my 5x1TB to the 1.5TB Seagates right now.
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Funkstar
Although, thinking about it, I would be better off upgrading my 5x500GB and my 5x1TB to the 1.5TB Seagates right now.
Why do you need 15 TB of disk Funkstar? You running a Pr0n server?...
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True if you are running a single drive machine or multiple 2TB setup.
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Fraz
Why do you need 15 TB of disk Funkstar? You running a Pr0n server?...
Nope.
It's mainly for a rather large media storage system. Music, videos, HD video... none of which has been downloaded. My TV recordings are starting to take up a frightening amount of space too.
Also taken about 1,500 shots on my 40D in the past 2 months, so that isn't helping either. And I suspect this will be the pattern for the rest of the year too. Not to mention the amount of space HD camcorders chew through.
Anyway, you can never have enough storage space :)
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Funkstar
Anyway, you can never have enough storage space :)
True!!
However the price on these 2tb disks is just obscene.
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No more than 1TB drives were on first release.
With the exception of the 1.5TB Seagate, the new highest capacity drives always launch at around £230-250.
Should see them reduce fairly quickly to a shade below £200 though. But you will (pretty much) always pay a premium for the highest data density
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when the 1.5tb drives are about £106 it makes it a hard choice to pay an extra £150 for another 465gb of usable space. you can get 3tb and still have £50 left over if you buy at the right time. i was thinking about getting one or two for my personal home pr0n server if the price was about £150, but it looks like it will be a while off until the price drops
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Fraz
Why do you need 15 TB of disk Funkstar? You running a Pr0n server?...
Was thinking about this in the car on the way home (oh how the mind wonders...).
It wouldn't be 15TB anyway, only 5.25TB per array with 1.5TB drives once you take the RAID-5 redundancy, file system overhead and of course that cursed gigabyte<>gibibyte difference.
Leaving me with a mear 10.5TB of usable storage split over two NAS boxes.
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No-one's had a a lot of experience with them as they've only just come out, but I have found that WD's 1TB Green drives are just as good as any other WD drive, obviously with a little less power with them being "Green Power", but unless your using it as your OS drive your not really going to notice the difference; and so based on that I can't really see how the 2TB's are going to be any different unless they struggle under heavy loads with power usage?!?
I'm waiting until they come down in price though before I purchase one - hope this helps.
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Funkstar: What do you use to store your HD? I am a bit of a space hog myself, though I've resisted the urge of buying many HD because I am not sure what is the best way to stack them once I fill my case up. Going external would be a pain because of the number of cables and power sockets required.
I am curious about NAS box, but they don't seem cheap, and I've yet to set one up. Furthermore, I can't change the router settings in anyway since it's not mine and the landlord probably wouldn't want me to mess about with it.
Thanks.
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Far as I'm concerned, more power to you nutjobs! :D
I could live on my 75GB drive forever. But as long as guys like Funkstar find the need for terabytes of storage, I'm benefiting as my small needs will be satisfied more cheaply thanks to the trickle-down effect. Therefore, you won't hear me complain!
Wow, hard to believe that a decade ago, 20GB drives were considered luxuriously large.
http://www.alts.net/ns1625/winchest.html
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Funkstar
No more than 1TB drives were on first release.
With the exception of the 1.5TB Seagate, the new highest capacity drives always launch at around £230-250.
Should see them reduce fairly quickly to a shade below £200 though. But you will (pretty much) always pay a premium for the highest data density
The new 2TB have already dropped to about £140 in China from what I heard from my friend. 1.5TB Seagate is about £89 which when adding VAT is not that far from the UK price.
I really wanted these 2TB drives unfortunately the price is not coming down as fast as I would like.
My next build will probably be PERC6/i + 8x1.5TB RAID6 (9TB total). I've already ordered a card and see how it compares with the 5/i and my 3Ware.
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TooNice
Funkstar: What do you use to store your HD? I am a bit of a space hog myself, though I've resisted the urge of buying many HD because I am not sure what is the best way to stack them once I fill my case up. Going external would be a pain because of the number of cables and power sockets required.
I am curious about NAS box, but they don't seem cheap, and I've yet to set one up. Furthermore, I can't change the router settings in anyway since it's not mine and the landlord probably wouldn't want me to mess about with it.
Thanks.
I currently have just over 200 HD-DVDs sitting on a shelf, they are rather unsightly, but that does make about 5TB of data (ignoring double disk releases). I don't have any of my CDs or DVDs on display anymore.
NAS boxes are expensive, but then so are decent RAID cards. I've been looking into building my own dedicated server rather than relying on my two Thecus N5200s. But that will have to wait until I get a large flat and have more space.
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arthurleung
The new 2TB have already dropped to about £140 in China from what I heard from my friend. 1.5TB Seagate is about £89 which when adding VAT is not that far from the UK price.
Thats interesting. If they can drop to £150 over the next couple of months I'd be happy :)
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Funkstar
Thats interesting. If they can drop to £150 over the next couple of months I'd be happy :)
Yeah so would I, I would like to see them drop below £200 at least shortly, but I don't think I'll buy one until they come below £150 though. I'm definitely watching out for any sites having promotions on these, however I know this isn't very likely what with the economy and everything.
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Having said all what I have, WD's Green 1TB's are still good value at the minute and would provide a little better performance over 2 drives as they are 2 physical drives, but even these have risen in price in recent months though! However did manage to get one of these for around £75 in the summer (2008) from http://www.aria.co.uk/ on a super special offer! :)P
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kosgi
scan is selling the new 2tb monsters.
It's a western digital wd20eads caviar green with 32mb cache. The price at the moment is 258£ which is obscene (it costs 3 times more than a 1tb spinpoint for example). It's also not in stock at the moment but you can preorder.
Anyone has any experience with these monsters, or intends to buy any?
Bout time. But I wanna see Samsung F1s 2TB!
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Fraz
Why do you need 15 TB of disk Funkstar? You running a Pr0n server?...
Home/media server.
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TooNice
Funkstar: What do you use to store your HD? I am a bit of a space hog myself, though I've resisted the urge of buying many HD because I am not sure what is the best way to stack them once I fill my case up. Going external would be a pain because of the number of cables and power sockets required.
I am curious about NAS box, but they don't seem cheap, and I've yet to set one up. Furthermore, I can't change the router settings in anyway since it's not mine and the landlord probably wouldn't want me to mess about with it.
Thanks.
Build your own NAS/WHS box. I've got space for atleast 3 more hdd in mine, before I have to look at another case.
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What is the platter count in a 2tb drive, have they managed 500gb per platter then?
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Maccer101
What is the platter count in a 2tb drive, have they managed 500gb per platter then?
Yes. There are 4 platters.
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Funkstar
Yes. There are 4 platters.
Wow....
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2tb is all well and good, hope these new platters endup in 500gb, 1tb and 1.5tb and of course 2tb black and blue WD drives. :)
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rs4847
2tb is all well and good, hope these new platters endup in 500gb, 1tb and 1.5tb and of course 2tb black and blue WD drives. :)
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=576
There are 1.5TB and 1TB variants on their way too. It probably would be worth their time with a 500GB drive.
The 16MB cache version use either 350GB or 320GB platters.
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How much would a cost effective NAS box set me back (without any drives), and do they need any special permission from the router to function as intended?
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You don't need to touch the router at all, they are just a little PC that is dedicated to serving files.
Cost effective and NAS boxes don't really go hand in hand. Have a look at Scan, they have a selection. From basic singles drive solutions, right up to 8 drive monsters.
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Before I carry out some intense research - lol, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows where the cheapest WD 2TB Green HDD is for sale?
:)
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You'll struggle to find any in stock right now.
In the past couple of weeks they have been on pre-order, the prices have gone from around £206 to £258. I would really recomend waiting until plenty of places have stock and prices have settled a little. I suspect £258 is list price and not a great reflection on their realistic street price.
edit cheapest I can see is £211, wouldn't trust it though.Dabs is £245, Scan is £244 which is already £14 less than the start of this week.
http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=W...tf-8&scoring=p
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Two more questions on NAS:
- I don't quite understand why they are as expensive as they are even without drives. Sorry for the newbie question, but what can the £500-1000+ do that you couldn't with a cheap-ish desktop?
- How fast evolving are NAS boxes? Are they investment that you can keep for years like a good monitor, or are they relatively fast depreciating, rapidly developing hardware like GFX cards?
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TooNice
- I don't quite understand why they are as expensive as they are even without drives. Sorry for the newbie question, but what can the £500-1000+ do that you couldn't with a cheap-ish desktop?
Mainly it's because of development time and support. They are appliances, so are supported as such. If you build a PC you get supports on those parts, but you won't get support on running it as an actual NAS box.
Yes you can build a big box PC for a lot less than a 5+ drive NAS box and it will be a lot more powerful too. However, it will be a lot larger. I've looked into building something like an N5200 and you can't even get close, no-one sells a case with 5 hot swap cages and space for a mini-ITX board. Steve B has also looked into this. It would also be a challenge to put a system tegether with 5 SATA ports for the RAID and nother SATA or ISE port for the OS. The N5200 uses a flash disk (known as a DOM - Disk On Module) the plugs directly into an IDE socket on the main board. There is also an 8 port SATA controller in there feeding the 5 RAID drives and an external SATA port. I've been looking into RAID cards recently and they are very expensive for a decent one. Granted you can just use a SATA controller and leave the RAID up to software (which is what the N5200 does with MDADM), but anything over 4 ports is hard to find. In fact I couldn'f find any from my usual parts suppliers like Scan and eBuyer. A credible PCIe 8port RAID card is about £240.
It also takes quite a bit of fiddling to get even a specialist linux distro working as smoothly as a Qnap or Thecus box. Granted once you do get it running it is a lot easier to add your own apps and services, but at least with a NAS the standard apps have been tested to make sure they don't interfere with each other.
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TooNice
- How fast evolving are NAS boxes? Are they investment that you can keep for years like a good monitor, or are they relatively fast depreciating, rapidly developing hardware like GFX cards?
NAS boxes aren't as fast moving as other parts of the tech industry. For example my two N5200s are still current even after having them for a year. As they are just little PCs, the software can be updated as much as the vendor wishes. There is usually some form of addon or module support too for the community to add their own functionality.
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I was helping the old man sort out all the junk in his study at the weekend. Gonna give it a make over. He came across a receipt from Gateway dated 1995. It was for a 730mb hard drive. Can you guess what the price was? Highlight left of the smilie. ;)
£169 :surprised:
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Mighty God
Having said all what I have, WD's Green 1TB's are still good value at the minute and would provide a little better performance over 2 drives as they are 2 physical drives, but even these have risen in price in recent months though! However did manage to get one of these for around £75 in the summer (2008) from
http://www.aria.co.uk/ on a super special offer! :)P
Speaking of which I bought 4 1TB RE2-GP a long time ago (think it was over a year), and the price actually went up
1TB Western Digital WD1000FYPS RE2-GP, SATA 3Gb/s, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 8.9 ms £116.93 £134.47
And still show as a hot seller!
I have two NAS lying around doing nothing. A Promise NS4300N (Veryoisy fan) and Thecus N299 (Hardware bug with drained battery). Probably gonna sell them soon when I have time to unpack and replace that stupid battery.
Funkstar, 8 port software raid is pretty much out of league for "mid-end" NAS. Get a proper barebone and slap in some PERC goodness and you get 400MB/s read/write out of RAID6 for the price cheaper than a N5200. Nowadays I just install a barebone, slap a copy of un-used XP on it, and run administrative shares. I have horrible experience with Japanese/Chinese characters on Linux NAS which corrupts my filenames with incomplete UTF8 support. And best, no need to mess with hacking the NAS to add extra capabilities, no fsck and fragment problem (my CentOS webserver fragments so badly it had to be reinstalled every year to get acceptable performance).
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I'm glad these have finally been released. As already stated, the price is crippling them at the moment and only those with no regard for money will buy them ;) It's a shame my synology 207+ won't support them, simply because the power drain is too much for it's puny PSU (it won't support even the green WD 1Tb drives reliably apparently) :(
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It might work, it is a WDC Green drive after all, which are supposed to use less power.
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What I\'d like to know about this model is what revolution it runs at. The current Western Digital Green Power series drives run at 5400rpm and yet still manage excellent performance, from what I\'ve read, so if they\'re increased it to 7200rpm for the 2TB model this could potentially be a very fast, very quiet, very large, and very low-powered drive. Here\'s hoping.
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From what I\'ve read on the net, it\'s a 5400rpm drive but still fast.
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Sequencial transfers will be fast due to the density of the data on the platters, but the random access will suffer from being 5400rpm.
However, I\'m pretty sure this one uses a combination of 7200 and 5400 depending on how it is being used.
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Funkstar
You'll struggle to find any in stock right now.
In the past couple of weeks they have been on pre-order, the prices have gone from around £206 to £258. I would really recomend waiting until plenty of places have stock and prices have settled a little. I suspect £258 is list price and not a great reflection on their realistic street price.
edit cheapest I can see is £211, wouldn't trust it though.Dabs is £245, Scan is £244 which is already £14 less than the start of this week.
http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=W...tf-8&scoring=p
Thanks for that, it was more curiosity than anything else as I intend to wait until the prices fall and settle down before I purchase, but thanks again anyway!
:)
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Funkstar
However, I'm pretty sure this one uses a combination of 7200 and 5400 depending on how it is being used.
Is there any indicator for that? I seem to remember reading that the first 'Green Power' drives were actually 5400RPM drives but marketed in such way as to appear that they combine 5400-7200 (which is apparently quite difficult to do from an engineering perspective) depending on usage.
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There is also a 512gb SSD out now/soon, as well as a 1gb SSD raid array which is enclosed in a case fitting into a pci-e 8x slot :)
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Funkstar
However, I'm pretty sure this one uses a combination of 7200 and 5400 depending on how it is being used.
I've done some research into this and found that WD simply markets all green drives as 5400-7200 and certain models have their own spindle speed. Apparently, WD doesn't want to market drives as 5400rpm because it makes them sound slower than competing drives. The drive's spindle speed is constant and doesn't vary however the drive is used. The 2TB drive happens to be a 5400rpm model.
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Fair enough. I was just going by what I'd read else where.
I don't really care too much what speed they spin at, still the highest data density out there, so thats what I want to build a new array from.
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I would be happy even if these babies spin at 4200RPM. With 4~8 drive configurations with large cache, speed is just not an issue at all.
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It would be nice to have better access times though, I mean you want as fast as possible for such a huge amount of space... imagine the size of a raid array from 2Tb drives :O and trying to back it up lol
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Badbonji
It would be nice to have better access times though, I mean you want as fast as possible for such a huge amount of space... imagine the size of a raid array from 2Tb drives :O and trying to back it up lol
Where do you want to backup your 2TB drive to? The only way to backup a huge array (6TB for 4 Drives) would be just have another identical array on another computer, copy it over through GbE. The speed is capped to about 110MB/s which can be fulfilled easily even at 3600RPM. Or alternatively some tapes, a dozen at least, or 120 Dual-layer BD-R.
Access time of RAID array might be low, but with cache of 256MB+ on RAID HBAs, Small files are cached efficiently, and larger files would behave like sequential.
And in most case you will be compacting the small files into like RAR files, extract those files to some faster drives (or the SSD), then deal with small files from there.
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Fraz
Why do you need 15 TB of disk Funkstar? You running a Pr0n server?...
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Funkstar
Nope.
...hopes dashed... :(
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I would be happy even if these babies spin at 4200RPM. With 4~8 drive configurations with large cache, speed is just not an issue at all.
Probably depends what it's been used for. I can see the benefits of having a high capacity, low RPM drives for low the heat/noise, but I am sure there are people wanting to use the outer edge of those massive drives as their OS drive. There's a market for both high/low RPM until SSD becomes mainstream.
In regard to your previous post about using a 'proper' barebone computer, could you list the components of one of your builds as an example? I do have a fair number of files with Chinese/Japanese/Korean characters, so I would rather avoid any potential issues with corrupted filenames.
Is the CM stacker suitable as a case if I want many drives, or should I be looking at something else?
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TooNice
Probably depends what it's been used for. I can see the benefits of having a high capacity, low RPM drives for low the heat/noise, but I am sure there are people wanting to use the outer edge of those massive drives as their OS drive. There's a market for both high/low RPM until SSD becomes mainstream.
In regard to your previous post about using a 'proper' barebone computer, could you list the components of one of your builds as an example? I do have a fair number of files with Chinese/Japanese/Korean characters, so I would rather avoid any potential issues with corrupted filenames.
Is the CM stacker suitable as a case if I want many drives, or should I be looking at something else?
Spec is basically irrevelant, just get the cheapest Socket AM2 setup with two 16x PCIe slots. Most motherboards don't support non graphic card on the first PCIe 16x slot.
Slap in one or two PERC5/i (Cost about 80 quids on ebay)(Two cards if you have 3 16x slots). The card will basically do all the number crunching for you, and put out speed far higher than your GbE can handle.
Case size rarely matters, people mostly use 4-8 drives. Wouldn't recommend more than 6 drives for RAID5 IMO.
If you want something fast for OS drive, get some cheap refurbished 15K RPM 2.5" SAS / Raptor / WD Black drive / 32GB SLC SSD. As long as you don't run anything intensive on the OS drive, it won't be slow.
I don't see why would anyone use the outer edge of an huge array (You're talking about 0.4% of a 6x2TB array). OS doesn't need fast throughput but relatively low random access time.
The huge stripe size for large array will be slow for OS files which tends to be very small.
One of the server my friend built recently have the following spec (Note he also run some CPU intensive stuff on top of storage). Otherwise even a single core CPU will be fine.
Phenom 9750
3Ware 9550SX-8LP (Migrate from old machine)
4GB ECC DDR2-800
DELL PERC5/i (For the SAS drives)
4x1.5TB Seagate 1.5TB
4x1TB WD Green Power
2x74G Fujitsu 15K 2.5" SAS
CM Stacker (The very first version)
Corsair HX620W
With plenty of space to expand to 16 3.5" + load of 2.5" that could be placed anywhere.
You design your storage sub-system to fit your usage pattern. You don't NEED super-fast access time on every single GB of your stage.