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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    Bit of a late posting here, sorry.

    The problem you have is the memory on the card has failed.

    Check your +12v numbers, if your psu is dieing that could be root cause and a new graphics card could also be damaged. (+/-5% is the ATX standard so make sure it's not dropping below 11.4v)

    4850 is overkill for 1440x900, an ati 4830 or nvidia 9800gt are the cards to look at, both will perform very well at that res and should come in at under £100

    Happy to know i made the right call, the sapphire HD 4830 does look like a great bargain.

    Dabs has it for £78.20 but i will collect it from Novatech instead (£86), last time i used dabs i was left waiting for a monitor 3 weeks


    I am pretty happy with the voltages.

    1.296V
    3.28V
    5.12V
    11.985V

    Have seen no voltage changes since I bought the psu so I would say it’s holding itself well. The faulty graphics card was a XFX 7600 GT XXX these came substantially overclocked from factory so I am not surprised it died especially considering the use I gave it.

    Oh and you are still on time for a thanks

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Well it seems it wasnt the graphics card at all, still have the same problem even after replacing it for the new sapphire HD 4830.

    Did a memory test with memtest+ during the night and it was fine zero errors... pretty much lost right now.

    Pob255 any software i can use to check the PSU values besides looking at the BIOS?

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Mama Sumae View Post
    Well it seems it wasnt the graphics card at all, still have the same problem even after replacing it for the new sapphire HD 4830.

    Did a memory test with memtest+ during the night and it was fine zero errors... pretty much lost right now.

    Pob255 any software i can use to check the PSU values besides looking at the BIOS?
    Speed Fan does it, and HW monitor

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Will404 View Post
    Speed Fan does it, and HW monitor
    Ty yep voltage levels are normal, no idea what is wrong...

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    So basically it cannot be the following:
    1.)Graphics card
    2.)The RAM
    3.)The PSU

    You did run Driver Cleaner after uninstalling the Nvidia drivers didn't you?? I assume that the CPU is not overheating either?? The best thing to check for the latter would be to run a few iterations of IntelBurnTest and check the temperatures. Anything over 70C is not good. IntelBurnTest really does heat up the CPU. If your CPU is fine then it will register no errors too.

    Try running OCCT blend for a few hours too see if you get any errors. This will definitely discount the CPU and RAM as the culprits.

    Have you tried a different monitor?? It could something wrong with your current one?? You could check what refresh rate you have set in windows too.

    The only other thing left to check would be the motherboard itself? Have you check whether there are known problems with it?? Perhaps a BIOS update may help!


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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Thank you again CAT-THE-FIFTH, after i removed and tried so many drivers i went for a clean install of XP so old drivers and such is a no worry.

    IntelBurnTest passed all tests error free, using maximun stress with temperatures never above 62ºC. Thats with the CPU overclocked (340*7) and using Intel thermal Analysis and Asus probe as reference. Using Intel thermal Analysis's test set to 100% workload, temperatures do not rise above 63ºC too.

    Unfamiliar with OCCT but i will give it a try later.

    Sadly i wanted to try the monitor too but i dont have another spare monitor. Best i have done was to test this monitor using the vga out of my laptop, worked fine but i normally use DVI when using it with my desktop so not a very useful test. Refresh rate is set to the monitor's recomended 60Hz.


    Now the motherboard bios is the latest stable release, havent tried the recent betas. There isnt much i can do to test the motherboard anyways only replace and trial and i dont have a spare one too.

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    If the motherboard screen is corrupt it can't possibly be the OS. OTOH I think it's too early to take the PSU out of the equation. We're those readings taken under load? Try running 3DMark at the same time and then alt-tabbing to Speedfan or whatever.

    But Motherboard seems a likely candidate, undfortunately. I say unfortunately because it's the hardest to test and most painful to replace. I usually try to test everything else by putting it in another machine, and then what's left, the motherboard, must be the problem. If you can't do that then you may need to take it to someone who can.

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Have you tried VGA to the monitor (if the GPU is only DVI there should be an adaptor)

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Well something odd is definitely going on; using the new graphics I no longer have errors at post and its fine in windows. But if I overclock the new graphics card the errors I had with the previous card return.

    Now, the previous Nvidia card was overclocked from factory (590MHz/1.6GHz) and was running at faster speeds than the new ATI (575MHz/900MHz). If I keep the ATI at low speeds I have no problems but as soon as I increase speeds even moderately (either manually in the ATI overdrive tool or using auto-tune) it gets all buggy.


    Something in my pc suddenly stopped liking fast GPU speeds it could be the PSU that can’t cope with the extra Watts (doubt it) or worse some problem with the Mobo. I would still like to test the monitor in another pc but for now is there any tool out there i can use to put the PSU under stress? OCCT has something like it but it warns caution to use it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Will404 View Post
    Have you tried VGA to the monitor (if the GPU is only DVI there should be an adaptor)
    Yes same results.
    Last edited by Mama Sumae; 17-03-2009 at 09:42 PM.

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    PSUs degrade over time as the capacitors age and their overall power output will drop. How old is the PSU?

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    You could see what happens if you under clock it.

    Also check the connection to the mobo - wipe the pci-e slot on the card, and see if there is anything obstructing the inside of the pci-e slot in the pc

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    make sure your not overclocking the pci-e lane in the bios as well, should be at 100mhz
    In fact I'd set every thing back to stock speeds to rule that out as well.

    edit: If the problem does not happen at the card is at stock speeds then the simple answer is to not overclock it
    My guess would be that the card you've got doesn't like to be overclocked, overclocking is never guarantied to work, looks like the gpu or memory is running as high as it can go or that the power regulators on the card just cannot cope with any faster speeds.
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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by blueball View Post
    PSUs degrade over time as the capacitors age and their overall power output will drop. How old is the PSU?
    3 years, voltage levels are alright but I would still like to see them when the whole system is under stress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    edit: If the problem does not happen at the card is at stock speeds then the simple answer is to not overclock it
    My guess would be that the card you've got doesn't like to be overclocked, overclocking is never guarantied to work, looks like the gpu or memory is running as high as it can go or that the power regulators on the card just cannot cope with any faster speeds.

    I agree that would normally be case but i have the same problem with both the old XFX 7600GT XXX and the new sapphire ATI HD 4830.

    That’s the same error with 2 different cards, one stable for the past 3 years and the other brand new. I had the XFX 7600GT XXX for 3 years never overclocked it and had no problems up until last week. The new ATI runs fine at stock speeds but increase a bit and the same problem occurs, that doesnt sound like a overclocking issue more like a separate component that can no longer cope with the high speeds/requirements provided by both cards.

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Umm not quite, could still be that the first card died and the new one doesn't like overclocking.
    the original 7600gt was at 590MHz on the gpu and 800mhz on the memory.
    a stock 4830 runs at 575MHz gpu and 900mhz on the memory.

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    Re: Graphics Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    If the problem does not happen at the card is at stock speeds then the simple answer is to not overclock it
    What he said

    If you are having problems cease and desist the overclocking to confirm that the system is stable. Only attempt overclocking from a stable system. Not that you need to anyway at 1440x900 - you won't see any difference...

    Some motherboards allow very little overclocking. Full stop.

    But do make sure you're not overclocking the PCIE bus, as that would scupper you.

    Good luck and I hope you get stable

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