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    the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    ....is how long the Format takes

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Pro Tip: Quick Format.
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    The other problem my friend, is what the heck do back them up to?

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Pro Tip: Quick Format.
    Moreover: the actual format of both quick and normal format takes exactly the same time - the only difference is that 'quick' doesn't do a chkdsk afterwards.
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jiff Lemon View Post
    The other problem my friend, is what the heck do back them up to?
    A bigger HDD

    Not sure if HFS+ does any checking but the 'Mac' version of formatting is a couple seconds at most

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Just to make it even more annoying, format isn't actually doing anything to the disk - just checking that it can read every sector...

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    Moreover: the actual format of both quick and normal format takes exactly the same time - the only difference is that 'quick' doesn't do a chkdsk afterwards.
    Yup. Although I wasn't planning to be quite so pedantic about my quip.
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by bsodmike View Post
    A bigger HDD

    Not sure if HFS+ does any checking but the 'Mac' version of formatting is a couple seconds at most
    Because formatting a hard drive doesn't mean 'formatting' in the sense that it writes to every location on the disk, unlike formatting a floppy.

    Formatting a floppy disk actually does lay down the sector markers and the associated sync bits and so on. However, formatting va hard drive just means writing the file system onto the disk. In the case of Windows, that involves writing the MFT and its mirror and a few other bits and pieces. I'm don't know much about HFS (or HFS+) but if it is a simpler structure, that would explain why it is quicker. Formatting ext3 is also reasonably fast.

    (And that is also why formatting a hard drive is not a secure method of wiping a drive for disposal)
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    ....is how long the Format takes

    /yawn
    Formatting is nothing. It's when you add drives to an existing RAID array and expand the volume to fill the space. Now that takes a...g...e...s...

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Yup. Although I wasn't planning to be quite so pedantic about my quip.
    Aww bless! I wasn't pointing it out to be a pedant, rather because it's an interesting fact that the vast majority don't know
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    Aww bless! I wasn't pointing it out to be a pedant, rather because it's an interesting fact that the vast majority don't know
    True, true. Most filesystems really only take a matter of seconds to write out. Ext2/3 is about the longest I've seen since they're mostly static filesystems.
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    it's finished

    and this drive IS gonna be my back up drive (in IcyBox SATA USB caddy thing)

    It's very fast.. kicking my F1 and WD AAKS to death in HD Tacho

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    it's finished

    and this drive IS gonna be my back up drive (in IcyBox SATA USB caddy thing)

    It's very fast.. kicking my F1 and WD AAKS to death in HD Tacho
    If thats the case, then you could image existing drive, then swap if for the new one. meaning the slower drive then becomes the backup.

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    If thats the case, then you could image existing drive, then swap if for the new one. meaning the slower drive then becomes the backup.
    But of course you should have done that first - then you wouldn't have to have waited all that time for the format (although imaging a 1T disk won't be a five minute job! )
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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    True that

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    Re: the trouble with big HDD capacitiy,....

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Yup. Although I wasn't planning to be quite so pedantic about my quip.
    Only if your drive is not DOA. I always format my drive then do a HDTune surface scan before filling in data. I bought over 3 dozen of harddrives in the past 5 years and have a DOA (or DOF) rate of 15%-ish.

    You will be banging your head on the wall if the drive fail when you're moving stuff into it after a quick format.

    I really don't see any reason why anyone want to rush to use the new harddrive?

    Funkstar, I am always scared of expanding an array, because I am not sure what will happen if there is a power / drive failure DURING the expansion, which can take up to 4-5 days for a huge array. Usually I just get 4 / 8 drives and setup a whole new RAID5/6 and move everything over and recreate the old array.
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