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    super cheap build £200

    Well following on from this thread http://forums.hexus.net/chassis-syst...od-advice.html
    This pc will be for light gaming on a 17" screen, mainly mmo's and some slightly older fps's (eg prey, quake4) as well as web browsing and such.

    I'm considering scavanging fleabay, old junk from work and donations from friends.

    I've got an 80gb sata, ide CDrw/DVD rom drive, as well a 7900gs 256mb card which could be donated.
    Although I know that that 7900gs will struggle slightly with the settings maxed, idealy something better would be best.

    The main things I'm looking at here are cpu, motherboard, psu, low cost gpu
    E5300 @£52
    new p45 (Biostar TP45 HP) @£78
    Or
    new p43 @£55 (Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L, not sure what it's like, but cheap on scan)
    or
    2nd hand p35 (as long as it's a good one and under £50, although you run the risk of bad parts.

    Or AMD set up
    if so what? I'm behind on the AMD situation as to what's a good lowcost cpu and board.

    PSU, something decent around 400-450w
    OCZ 400W StealthXStream @£35 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152505

    gpu
    2nd hand
    8800gt or 3870 or 3850 or 4830
    maybe a 8800gts 320mb??

    new, current 9800gt or 4850 or 4770??
    something around £70

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    You'd probably be best trying to pick up a full second-hand system then, if needed, use any remaining budget for a graphics card.

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    4830 or 4770's will serve you very well at that resolution

    If you get certain AMD boards you would be able to crossfire with the IGP but they are probably too expensive and pointless to consider here.

    The asus 760G board is £45 making it great value, stick a nice dual core £50

    BOARD http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=998660
    CPU http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=1040351

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    I'd be tempted to throw in a new HD. The 80g drive may be cheep but would be very annoying when it fails after you've just set your new machine up. You can get new disks which should be more reliable than your old 80G.

    Just my 2c

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    But then if it is just for gaming who cares if it fails, could be up and running again in a day..

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Quote Originally Posted by staffsMike View Post
    But then if it is just for gaming who cares if it fails, could be up and running again in a day..
    Ah fair point, I just hate rebuilding failed drives.. must be as a result of having two HD problems inside two weeks :(

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Well I agree it's always nice to be running what you hope is a reliable drive (and have a back up ideally) but doing the odd reinstall never hurts and these days doesn't even take very long

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    that mikestaff, I'll admit I'm a bit unsure about which of the amd chip sets are good, and what to look for.
    I do like the look/sound of the Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/GIGAB...770T-UD3P-MOBO
    and I remember that the J&W 780G was good
    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/JandW...RAID-uATX-HDCP
    However nether are in stock

    what should I be looking at in the way of north&south bridge?
    and is it worth it to get something decent, and a low end cpu so later upgrade if needed?
    What chip sets should I be looking at for which processors?

    oh yes, the 80gb sata is near enough unused, I had it running for about 3 weeks before replacing it, I tend to find that bearing excessive heat hard drives die within a year or just keep going.
    The 80gb seagate in my pc is at least 6 years old and still going strong.
    heck I've got an old scsi in a draw that's over 10 years old and still working well last time I used it.

    how about this 3850?
    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139617
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    Re: super cheap build £200

    This is what I would be looking at:

    Athlon II X2 245 ~ £50

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=1040351

    Asus 760G motherboard ~ £45

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-...Board-VGA-HDCP

    Has the SB710 southbridge which is an improvement over the SB700 found in many 780G based motherboards. Also DDR3 does not show much improvement with the Athlon II AFAIK unlike the Phenom II X2.

    4gb PC2-8500 DDR2 ~ £37

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-%...S-5-6-6-18-EPP

    Sapphire HD4830 512MB ~ £67

    http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=HD4830&x=0&y=0

    Has the lowest idle power consumption of any HD4830 I have read about.

    OCZ 400W StealthXStream PSU ~ £35

    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/152505

    It is a bit over budget but should be able to play most of today's games at reasonable settings and resolutions!


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    Re: super cheap build £200

    that was the next question as I just spotted this
    MSI 770-C45 £63 but ddr3
    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s...tml?MSI-770C45

    http://www.siliconmadness.com/2009/0...impresses.html
    apparently athlonII 250 + liquid nitrogen = 200% overclock
    ok wouldn't go near that, but the board does look damb nice.

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Ok I have to admit to being a little confused over AM2, AM2+ and AM3
    namely which cpu's can go in which sockets?

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Quote Originally Posted by Pob255 View Post
    Ok I have to admit to being a little confused over AM2, AM2+ and AM3
    namely which cpu's can go in which sockets?
    Err here goes:

    AM2, AM2+ are completely interchangeable - you can use either CPU with either motherboard.

    Some AM2+ motherboards support AM3 CPUs with a BIOS update but you can't use an AM2/AM2+ CPU in an AM3 motherboard.

    Where different socket parts are used together, both parts will run at the lower spec.

    Hope this helps

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Basically AMD processors have the memory controller in the CPU. AM2 CPUs only have a DDR2 memory controller whereas AM3 CPUs have both a DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller meaning the latter can be used in both DDR2 and DDR3 motherbaords.AM2 and AM2+ motherboards use DDR2 RAM.AM2 motherboards can only take AM2 processors whereas AM2+ motherboards can take both AM2 and AM3 CPUs.AM3 motherboards can take only AM3 CPUs and use DDR3 RAM.


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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Looking around on fleabay now
    Forget current generation, etailers sell them cheaper but drop down a generation or two and you're good
    8800gt and 8800gts 512mb for around 50-70
    very few c2d cpu's a couple of old e4x00 and the old pentium dual core e2xx0 chips for about £40-50
    Although I'm tempted by an old pentium D 3ghz for £10

    Excuse my noobness, I lost track of the AMDs execpt they where not up to the c2d and there great oc'ing
    How good where the AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2.0 GHz 3800+ ? they can be got for around £30

    Looking through the motherboard section is a nightmare, no one seems to have even bothered to read there cut and paste specs and connection them with the sub catagories
    Hopefully I'll be able to find something intresting which would otherwise be over looked and so get it cheap.
    But it's going to take me a few hours.

    EDIT: ok that's a bit clearer, you both get thanks even though I'll have to admit CAT made it more clear.
    If I'm reading you right if I have an AMD2+ motherboard with correct bios updates, I should be able to use any AM2 or AM3 cpu (as long as that model (eg phenonII) is supported) So a later AM2+ motherboard would give the greatest range of supported CPU

    EDIT2: here's a great example of fleabay listing, under socket 775, MSI DKA790GX Platinum AM2,VGA,SATA2,GBLan,ATX
    but more commonly trying to narrow down the search
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    Re: super cheap build £200

    OK I've had an insane idea
    Abit Fatal1ty FP-IN9 SLI
    +e5200
    OK not much future upgrade potential but should OC nicely due to the low FSB of the e5200 (I know it needs BIOS update to use it but I can always ether buy a really cheap 775 cpu or drop my e6600 in there just for that)

    however I've seen something else that I'm going to keep quiet about and hope no one notices it . . .

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    Re: super cheap build £200

    Ebuyer were having an HD4850 for around £72 delivered recently and Novatech have one for around £74 delivered with a copy of the game GRID:

    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s....html?NOV-4850

    OcUK have the same HD4850 Ebuyer had for around £72 for the same price excluding delivery:

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-095-PC

    TBH, second hand prices of the E5200 on Ebay are quite high and the 2.9ghz X2 245 is only a tad slower than the 3.0ghz X2 250 which at stock speeds destroys an E5200 for gaming:

    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...0-cpu-review/5

    The X2 250 is faster than even an E5400 in most games:

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...2_9.html#sect0

    http://www.techspot.com/review/171-a...x2/page10.html

    Edit!

    It seems the X2 245 is faster than the E5300 for gaming:

    http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowco...38&pageid=4863
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