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    Talk me out of it

    Ive got the itch to get myself an AMD system,

    Currently have:
    E5200 at 3.15GHZ, what a dissapointing overclock...
    P5N-E Sli, Still works!
    4850 with vortex neo cooling
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    Arctic Freezer 7 pro.

    I want to sell off the ram, psu, heatsink and mobo, then get myself either:
    Phenom II 720BE, if not then the 955BE. I currently have this cooler for amd:
    The Titan cool Idol.


    E8600 at stock is 24 idle and 45 load.


    overclocked its 55 load.

    Will the cooler be sufficient for a quad core overclocking? Also, will i get a decent overclock from a 720BE? Because my mate has one thats really cool even with a 3.5ghz overclock.

    Tempt me or stop me from upgrading, what do i do?

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Naah, go for the upgrade - you know you want to

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Why do you need to overclock?

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Trying to decide how much to spend, and what to buy! Spec me something that will be about £250 max.

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    Re: Talk me out of it

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    I suspect the E5200 should be fine for gaming currently and unless you have the money spare keep it.

    However,OTH you can get the following for just over £220:

    AMD Phenom II X3 720 ~ £92

    http://www.ebuyer.com/product/159071

    Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P ~ £69

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?W...source=froogle

    4GB DDR3 ~ £61

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(...ered-CAS-9-DHX

    Alternatively get this AM2+ motherboard instead:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigab...D3-Motherboard

    Don't get the earlier revision 2 which cannot unlock processors and lacks ACC.

    Get some of this heatsinks to help cool the VRMs:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Zalma...-River-product

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Coole...Cooler-ARC-U01

    The X4 955 is on Today Only for around £140 but it will push you over budget unless you go for an AM2+ system with DDR2 ram.

    I would look at the following motherboard and RAM:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/GIGABYTE-GA-MA790X-UD3P

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(...S-5-6-6-18-EPP


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    Re: Talk me out of it

    My only problem is the lack of 2x x16 pci-e ports, especially since i am looking to get a second 4850 in the future. Any way we can bump upto a 790 chipset?

    Plus i need to overclock to get my monies worth!

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    You will have to stay with DDR2 RAM but the difference with DDR3 RAM is not huge.

    Go with this motherboard then:

    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s...tml?asu-m3n7td

    It is nearly £40 cheaper than anywhere else!!

    It has the 790FX chipset with a pair of PCI-E 2.0 16x slots and is the highest end AMD chipset currently available.

    Go for the Phenom II X4 955BE which is around £140 on the Scan Today Only webpage or the X3 720 from Ebuyer and some low latency PC2-8500 DDR2 RAM for under £40.
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    Re: Talk me out of it

    My Current OCZ ram runs at 1000mhz with timings of 5-4-4-12, would there be any point upgrading from that?

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaineoliver View Post
    My Current OCZ ram runs at 1000mhz with timings of 5-4-4-12, would there be any point upgrading from that?
    Unless you need 4gb then no. Looks like the Asus M3A79-T Deluxe and a Phenom II X4 955BE will be under budget and these are the highest end AMD bits too(790FX and their fastest processor).


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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Phenom II 720 + DDR3 2x2GB + Gigabyte GA-MA790X comes to £230 inc delivery. Im tempted to do this now, then sell + upgrade to a quad core 955 once their down to like £100, reckon this is a good diea?

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaineoliver View Post
    Phenom II 720 + DDR3 2x2GB + Gigabyte GA-MA790X comes to £230 inc delivery. Im tempted to do this now, then sell + upgrade to a quad core 955 once their down to like £100, reckon this is a good diea?
    Looks like a good plan to me. If you are lucky you maybe able to unlock the 720 too.

    Of course you could always buy the 790FX for £92 and get the X4 955 for £140 and use your existing RAM. TBH, get that shebang upto 3.5ghz or more and you will not to worry to much about upgrading for a while and for crossfire you will also have full bandwith too.


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    Re: Talk me out of it

    If i can unlock 4th core and a 3.5ghz overclock is common, so with both i get speeds as fast as a x4 955. Im thinking if i get AM3, i have the new system, and can drop in any chip i like at a later date.

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    The problem is the 790X can run two cards in crossfire at PCI-E 2.0 8x whereas the 790FX can do so at PCI-E 2.0 16x.


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    Re: Talk me out of it

    The problem being about £20-30 i reckon. PCI-E 2.0 means double bandwidth, so i will get effectively pcie1.3 x16 on both, i think even a 4890 doesnt slow down on that bandwidth?

    If the 770 can unlock, and it overclocks well enough with decent pci-e bandwidth, i would take one and save money.

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    Re: Talk me out of it

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaineoliver View Post
    The problem being about £20-30 i reckon. PCI-E 2.0 means double bandwidth, so i will get effectively pcie1.3 x16 on both, i think even a 4890 doesnt slow down on that bandwidth?

    If the 770 can unlock, and it overclocks well enough with decent pci-e bandwidth, i would take one and save money.
    The 770 is not crossfire AFAIK.Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P matches 790 series motherboards and most features like unlocking and for performance but if you want to run two cards you will need a 790 series motherboard. You have got a point though about the bandwidth so the 790X should be fast enough for most uses especially with a HD4850 and midrange cards.

    If you intend to overclock get this RAM as it can be run at 1333mhz at lower latencies:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-(...ered-CAS-9-DHX


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