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    Re: AMD info

    the problem is that i would love to go for the phenom II for £68, however i would need to get an am3 motherboard as the processor is really meant for that, which are not cheap, considering i'm on a strict butget of £220 max, becuase its only used for the office for email, browsing and some graphic designing.

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    Re: AMD info

    Basicly you have AM2 AM2+ and AM3
    The AM2 and AM2+ sockets are the same ( the AM3 is Similar )
    The AM2 and AM2+ are DDR2 and the AM3 are DDR3
    Atm the am3 chips will work in am2/am2+ and am3 (Duel memory controller for DDR2 and DDR3)
    The older boards would have been AM2 then had a bios update to AM2+ some even AM3
    Newer boards were made for AM2+ and will accept older AM2 and AM3 chips (with a bios update)
    AM3 Boards will not accept AM2+ or AM2 chips
    The best boards ATM IMHO are the AMD chipset 740 / 760 / 780 / 790
    The ones that i posted i have used with a AM3 chip (the gigabyte one is the cheapest)
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    Re: AMD info

    Quote Originally Posted by akaneria View Post
    the problem is that i would love to go for the phenom II for £68, however i would need to get an am3 motherboard as the processor is really meant for that, which are not cheap, considering i'm on a strict butget of £220 max, becuase its only used for the office for email, browsing and some graphic designing.
    The build I suggested will do the job fine. The Athlon II X2 240 is probably faster than all dual core Pentium 4 processors. The AMD motherboards for under £50 have much better integrated graphics and a better feature set usually than their Intel alternatives too.

    Like the previous poster said AMD CPUs have the memory controller in the CPU and all current AM3 CPUs will work with both DDR2 and DDR3 RAM.


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    Re: AMD info

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The build I suggested will do the job fine. The Athlon II X2 240 is probably faster than all dual core Pentium 4 processors. The AMD motherboards for under £50 have much better integrated graphics and a better feature set usually than their Intel alternatives too.

    Like the previous poster said AMD CPUs have the memory controller in the CPU and all current AM3 CPUs will work with both DDR2 and DDR3 RAM.

    would the processor you suggested earlier : http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-P...MHz-85W-Retail

    fit into the motherboard you also suggested the sapphire one the £30 one? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Sapph...-RAID-mATX-VGA

    basically the processor i listed above, i just want to compare it to the core2duo 2.8ghz, which would be better for surfing webbrowsing and bit of photoediting
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    Re: AMD info

    Quote Originally Posted by akaneria View Post
    would the processor you suggested earlier : http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/AMD-P...MHz-85W-Retail

    fit into the motherboard you also suggested the sapphire one the £30 one? http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Sapph...-RAID-mATX-VGA

    basically the processor i listed above, i just want to compare it to the core2duo 2.8ghz, which would be better for surfing webbrowsing and bit of photoediting
    It should be fine in theory but I would not go any higher than the 550 and certainly I would not overclock. The X2 550BE is faster than a 2.8ghz Core2 in most cases.

    Also the processor will be massively overspecced for what you are doing. An Athlon II X2 250 or even the 240 will do the job fine and you will NOT notice much difference! Why??

    Web surfing and word processing are more dependent on the amount of RAM you have and hard disk speed.Even photo editing needs to have enough RAM and a decent speed hard disk. The hard disk I specced you is a single platter one which is quite fast for the price.

    If anything if you are using Vista the faster onboard graphics and better video decoding abilities of the sub £50 AMD motherboards will actually count for more in real use than a faster processor. Don't skimp on the other bits of the computer as it is no point in the end.


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    Re: AMD info

    thanks for the info,
    however the reason why i slightly overspeced it was becuase in the future i might use it as a standalone server in the office or possibly use it at home, just a bit of future proofing, if there is such a thing! lol

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    Re: AMD info

    For a server a dual core Athlon II X2 will be overspecced too!! Currently at home we use an old XP2800 single core processor for this purpose.


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    Re: AMD info

    If you're mostly web-browsing, word-processing, and light photo-editing, you would probably be fine with the new Sempron 140 (single core), which is avaialble for ~ £27 at both scan and ebuyer. Word Processing and Web Browsing are pretty much limited by your typing / reading speed and your ISPs connection speed, so the processor you have make very little difference for that. Photo editing might benefit from a dual-core depending on the program you use - but I've run Paint Shop Pro 10 happily on a moble Celeron, and use Gimp and Paint.Net on my old Athlon 2600+, so the new Sempron will definitely cope acceptably. It also has much lower power requirements, so it would be ideal for a file server in the future.

    This can be coupled with pretty much any of the boards suggested - if you're not going to game at all one based on the 740G chipset should be absolutely fine (something like this Gigabyte). That's only £70 in total, leaving you plenty of money for either 2 or 4 GB of DDR2 RAM (for ~ £40), along with a big hard drive, a DVD-RW and a nice mATX case to hold it all

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    Re: AMD info

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    It should be fine in theory .

    hi mate, what did you mean by that?

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    Re: AMD info

    Quote Originally Posted by akaneria View Post
    hi mate, what did you mean by that?

    thanks
    I don't see any detailed support list on the Sapphire website but they do say the Phenom II and Athlon II are compatible on the product page.I would check with Scan first before making any purchase.

    Also what scaryjim says is correct. I am currently using a Pentium M 1.7ghz laptop with 1gb of RAM and I usually run PSP10,Paint.Net,GIMP and ImageJ on it fine. I also tend to have multiple pdfs,word documents,powerpoint documents,and a few tabs of firefox open too and even a window of Paint.Net open and everything moves along fine. I am using XP though. A dual core Athlon X2 is much faster than my old notebook and many people at work use slower processors with 1gb to 2gb of RAM and they multitask too like I do. Even el cheapo processors nowadays are quite speedy.


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    Re: AMD info

    @s3ds: Sorry just wanted to say the sockets aren't all the same - an AM2(+) chip won't physically fit into an AM3 socket.

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    Re: AMD info

    Quote Originally Posted by watercooled View Post
    @s3ds: Sorry just wanted to say the sockets aren't all the same - an AM2(+) chip won't physically fit into an AM3 socket.

    Thank you I have edited my oringinal post
    I did put AM3 Boards will not accept AM2+ or AM2 chips
    But had wrongly assumed the sockets were the same because the AM3 chip fits the AM2+ board
    I have built a couple with AM3 in an AM2+ board but have yet to do one with a AM3 board


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