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    Smile New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    This is my first post on Hexus so firstly I want to say a warm hello

    I've been reading a fair number of reviews on here and now I've got a bunch of questions to ask about building a new system.

    This is only the second PC I've built, the first was with heavy assistance, this time i'm going solo.

    My main issue is whether in the current market it'd be best for me to go with the Bloomfield architecture or to opt for the latest which is Lynnfield?

    I'm looking for a long lasting PC which will be effective for gaming for a number of years. I am also quite an audiophile. I want this PC to be a long term solution for my needs for the next 4-5 years if possible so if people have recommendations or any tips or pointers they'd be greatly appreciated.

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    CPU – Intel Core 7 Lynnfield 860
    Motherboard – Asus P7P55D Deluxe / Intel Extreme DP5KG – P55
    Cooling – Artic Cooling Freezer Pro Rev 2
    Power Supply - Be Quiet Dark Power Pro 650W
    Graphics – Ati Radeon HD 5870
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    Total Cost = 1,463 from Scan.co.uk
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    main questions:

    1) 1156 or 1366 architecture?
    2) Get the Radeon HD 5870 (which could be doubled up later) or wait around for the GTX 300?
    3) Considering future expansion, would a 650 Watt power supply be enough?
    4) Memory (RAM), what would be the best latency / speed modules I could get with this kind of setup, [or one you propose as an alternative]. I'm unclear on how to judge what I need here.

    I'm looking around the £1500 mark, I could push the budget a little for a component or two that is worth that extra. If you're unsure as to why i've made certain decisions, e.g. the odd HD choice then i'll clarify

    I know it's a lot in one go, apologies for that, I also apologise if this is in the wrong section. Anybody able to help with some tips or pointers? I'm prepared to do the reading so if anybody wants to link me to helpful topics then please do so

    Darren

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    1) If you are thinking of getting the i7-860, I might be inclined to go for the 1366 i7-920 instead as they are around the same price. 1366 will also give you an upgrade path to 6-cores later.

    2) No preference on the gpus because they are both cutting edge.

    3) I think 650W psu should be fine, Hexus wrote an article on running 2 5870s in CrossFireX mode on an i7 setup, and it only used up 357W on full load.

    4) I'm not clued up on the ram too.

    One other thing is that I would probably choose a better cpu cooler, any tower cooler with a 120mm fan should do the trick.

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    1366 may provide an upgrade path but unless your after some 6core/12 thread loving at speculated prices of 1000+ then arguably there is no point. Get yourself proper P55 board and Sli & Crossfire wont have bad scaling issues either (is it really worth using a 3rd or 4th card ???)

    I think the Gigabyte boards are the best ones for P55 so you could look at them around a similar price range to the P7P55D and Intel P55's.

    GPU you would be best off with a 5850 if your going to spending a wedge on a GPU anyway 200 isn't bad i don't think for the performance your getting and DX11 - in addition to less heat and power requirements than current 48xx and GT2xx GPU's.

    The Lynnefield CPU's dont have a tri-channel memory controller so buying kits which of 3 sticks of RAM is 'useless' - your best going for 4/8 GB in 2 kit packs, however 4GB will be fine for now.

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=8&subcat=1387 - these ram sticks run at 2133Mhz and will blast the Dominator's in addition to being cheaper

    Make sure you buy the G2 Intel SSD as it will support the newer firmwares when Windows 7 is released.

    Other than that that may also be best waiting for a few other 1566 cooler to pop up.
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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Hi ,

    Due to the nature of the build and your desired use and longevity required , Id say its better to go for the best.

    Go with a Intel 1366 I7 920 build and clock it to 4ghz. In this instance i would not recommend Intel mobo's as you have to hack them to over clock. That is they way its been in the past with 755 and prior models.

    Since your going all out i would seriously look at another cooler. Its the only cheap bit in the build. For quality and long term performance look at the , Pro Megahalems Or the TRUE Or the equally impressive Noctua. They are the best air coolers you can buy and will perform to top efficiency.

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Thanks for all the advice folks, I've always been turned off from the prospect of attempting to overclock components. I'm too cautious for my own good and the prospect of shortening component life is what's nailed that decision on the head. For sure though I don't know anywhere near enough regarding that issue.

    When it comes to the architecture and being prepared for swapping to 6 cores, there is no need as I won't be looking to do that. I'd rather get the best board and CPU combo I can right now. I'd happily be willing to step up to the i7 -870 if it's worth that extra £200. I've taken a look at the i975 too but that £750 puts me right off.

    Good spot on the RAM, better remove that and go for two sticks. Also appreciate the tip for the SSD drive, will try and nab the one suggested.

    As for cooling, will fanless heat sinks work just as well? If so I'll definitely upgrade. Less movement = less noise.
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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    If your not going to overclock that's more of a reason to go Lynnefield i reckon. Better 'Turbo Mode' means that with less than 4 cores active it can auto-clock itself up to 3.46Ghz (max) on the 860 i thinks its 3.6Ghz on the 870.

    You will still need a fan cooler i reckon because even though these cards use less energy than the i7 9xx they still have a TDP rating of 95W.

    Also my monies still on getting a 5850 for now and upgrading too 2 5850's later, or flog the 5850 and buy a 5870 X2 when they are released at the end of the month-ish
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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Looking at benchmarks between the 5850 and 5870 makes me want to opt with the latter. I'm prepared to pay that extra for a better component. What i've recently read:

    When it comes to the performance of the Radeon HD 5850 we found it to be 15-25% slower than the Radeon HD 5870 in the vast majority of the benchmarks

    25% is a hell of a lot when it comes to graphics.

    Should I double up I'd say a fan cooler is a must.

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darren View Post
    Looking at benchmarks between the 5850 and 5870 makes me want to opt with the latter. I'm prepared to pay that extra for a better component. What i've recently read:

    When it comes to the performance of the Radeon HD 5850 we found it to be 15-25% slower than the Radeon HD 5870 in the vast majority of the benchmarks

    25% is a hell of a lot when it comes to graphics.

    Should I double up I'd say a fan cooler is a must.
    Well if price is no issue go all out with the 5870
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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Thought i'd come back in with an update, think most of you will be pleased

    Here is my new system, hopefully the only thing I might need to upgrade next is to an i9 or 975.

    CPU – Intel Core i7 - 920

    Motherboard – Asus P6T Deluxe Motherboard

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    Power Supply - Be Quiet Dark Power Pro 650W

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    Optical Drive - Samsung SH-S223B/BEBE

    Scan.co.uk were doing a great deal on the processor, mobo and memory on their deal for the day page. I ended up saving £45 by buying now

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    No SSD ?
    Society's to blame,
    Or possibly Atari.

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Was gonna say the same thing XD

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Yup, spending over £200 on a case and then not getting an SSD....there should be a law against that!!
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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Don't be to cautious on Overclocking the 920. it is easy, see the guide below. Also, get an SSD, an Intel X25-M would be best imho.

    Everything else looks fine to me EXCEPT the 2000MHz RAM. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, get 1600MHz CL7/CL8. You will see no performance, bar benchmarks, above 1600MHz in terms of real world performance. All it will do is result in more heat coming from your CPU for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    Yup, spending over £200 on a case and then not getting an SSD....there should be a law against that!!
    That memory will drop and quickly over next year in price. 80GB is somewhat restrictive in capacity too. I also have to wait for them to come into stock, they have no ETA right now. Three factors that weighed into my decision.

    Update: I've requested to cancel the order

    1. I want to see what the GTX 300 offers
    2. I am also going to heed nightkhaos' advice on the RAM modules
    3. I have decided to opt for a higher rated PSU when I do buy again

    As well as several other issues, particularly with the sound card, I'm not convinced by the support it has available. I have been reading about a host of issues from users. If I'm going to spend £100 on a sound card I need more convincing.

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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    Quote Originally Posted by Darren View Post
    Update: I've requested to cancel the order

    1. I want to see what the GTX 300 offers
    2. I am also going to heed nightkhaos' advice on the RAM modules
    3. I have decided to opt for a higher rated PSU when I do buy again

    As well as several other issues, particularly with the sound card, I'm not convinced by the support it has available. I have been reading about a host of issues from users. If I'm going to spend £100 on a sound card I need more convincing.
    1. I'll see you in 6 months then. Get a GTX 295 if you want NV, otherwise stick to 2x 5850s for the best bang for buck. (currently out of stock, should be in soon)
    2. Good man. Will save you a few quid you can spend on a better heatsink or something. Have you considered the Corsair H50?
    3. I highly recomend an HX 850 from Corsair.


    Sound cards, well that old pickle. I see no problems with your choice, but if you really think it needs consideration I highly recommend the Asus Xonar D2X. I have personally had no problems with it, bar BF2 1.41 (the issue magically went away when I updated to BF2 1.5 however. ). Just a word of caution, use the drivers off the ASUS website, not the ones bundled, but that should be obvious.
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    Re: New PC Build - Bloomfield or Lynnfield?

    You've made a friend nightkaos

    Just rang scan now and cancelled. There were a number of issues with the above which I only later realised.

    The PSU for example only has the connection for one HD 5870, removing access to crossfire without an upgrade.

    I spend money when it makes sense, when it doesn't I keep it in my pocket. I don't know why people despair so much when I choose not to spend £171 on an 80GB drive. the case will last a good 5 years without limitation. Memory quickly becomes out dated.

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