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No idea about all these AMD cpus and have someone trying to build an extremely budged ESX setup.....I have been looking at unlocking cores on the AMD chips as a way to help him squeeze a little more out of his budget.
So, whats the best bang/buck on the AM3 platform (he seems intent on not going AM2+)?
TIA
I used a Sempron 140 and it unlocked to a X2 4400e however i didn't get it stable before i bricked the board (MSI 785 E51). The most bang for the buck may come from unlocking one fo the Athlon X2 5000's into a Phenom X4.
Probably, *if* it unlocks, it's the Phenom II X2 550 BE. That will go from a dual core to a quad core, but it has the advantage of being a decent processor even if it doesn't unlock :D
If you can find an X3 720 anywhere they're a decent bet too, but there don't seem to be many around anymore.
Of course, (as well all know), the biggest possible bang for buck is AM2+ and the 45nm Athlon X2 5000+ (2.2GHz), which can unlock to a fully fledged Phenom II X4. But that's AM2+ only, so you'd have some persuasion checks to make... - that's also the riskiest strategy because if it doesn't unlock you're left with a slow dual core...
A thing to note that the stock cooler on the phenomIIs that come with a dual/tri will not be able to cope with a quad. Overclock.net has a lot of people wondering why their unlocked chips are unstable; when asked about temps they are usually too high.
The new 550 (c3) do not apparently have an unlocked multiplyer (not sure this is only when they are unlocked).
The 5000+ is the best value but the newer batchs apparently have less chance of unlocking.
I don't know the best but I have just yesterday built a new system AM2+ though,
with a Athlon X2 5000 dual core using a Gigabyte GA-MA785M-US2H mATX board
I could only unlock one extra core to make 3 but it also unlocked the L3 cache to 6MB
which has got to be good. I'm not going to stress it a lot its just for a HTPC so even as a 2 core would be ok.
I have clocked it up to 2.8 Ghz with 2Gb ddr2 800 RAM seemed stable so far.
will not overclock in the long run to save power, still happy with it at the price, would be fantastic if it had unlocked to a quad.
Its not AM3 so may not be what you are looking for, but if you could use AM2+ it has the chance of being a bargain I think.
My Phenom II 555 BE unlocked to 4 cores :)
The X2 550BE or possibly the X2 555BE!!
This thread is very useful to read:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=227004
You are not guaranteed an unlock but 94 processors out of 125 unclocked to a quad core and another 2 unlocked to a triple core is not too bad!! :)
Here are some threads which will also be of use:
http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardwa...ilable-uk.html
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=18106573
Only just unlocked my AMD Athlon II X3 425 an hour or so ago so still testing. But I'll add it to the list as I'm currently in Windows running Prime95 with CPU-Z showing a Phenom II X4 B25. :)
Temps at 49C for the CPU and 37C for the motherboard. Seems the sensors for each core doesn't show when you Unlock.
Getting my Athlon X2 5000+ 45nm stable as a quad was a real pain. Got there in the end though and overclocked to 3.3 GHz.
Phenom FX-5000 has got to be the coolest name out of any of the unlocked chips though :).
Seeing as I've owned a Sempron 140 and Phenom II X2 550 as well as a Phenom II X4 955, I'll try to give my opinion.
Both the first 2 managed to unlock fine, Sempron managed to get to 3.6ghz max on 1.45V as a dual core and the Phenom II X2 550 managed to get to 3.6ghz max on 1.50V. They were both stable. Moving from a unlocked quad core Phenom II X4 B50 (Phenom II X2 550 unlocked) to a Phenom II 955 seemed like a total waste of money to me, it seems they are exactly the same. I could manage to overclock this CPU to 3.8ghz and even boot at 4.2Ghz but at anything over 3.8ghz it's too hot (I'm on aircooling with a Noctua NH-U12P). To be honest though, I've been experimenting a bit with CPUs this year. I first moved from a E5300 3.6ghz to a E8200 at 3.8Ghz. The only performance I saw was faster encoding and slightly better gaming performance and ultra fast superpi runs haha. Benchmarking was also better obviously. I then moved to a Phenom II X2 550 and it was pretty much the same as the E8200, unlocking it only showed better performance in benchmarking for me. And now as I said, moving to a Phenom II X4 955 shows pretty much no difference, even in benchmarking the difference is only a few points which translate into nothing in the real world. For some reason encoding is kinda slow too, I haven't timed it but I can say that moving from a E8200 to this didn't improve encoding times by that much. Perhaps I'll have to go to a i5 750 to really see a difference in encoding.
I can say that the Sempron 140 once unlocked and overclocked was about the same as my E5300 though so I'd say go with that just because it's such a budget CPU and offers pretty much enough performance.
If I were you, I'd get a decent dual or tri core that would give you a nice upgrade if it doesn't unlock. There's always a possiblility your CPU won't unlock and you don't want to be left disappointed if that happens.
What program was you using to encode?
If you meant me that I use SUPER to encode anime/drama onto my phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
Not wanting to post hi-jack but what memory/motherboard have been used for these systems?
I'm using a Jetway HA08 Combo with bog standard Crucial DDR2 800 CL6 (2x4GB).
For the highest chance to unlock I'd say go with an Asus or Gigabyte board with a Hybrid BIOS (it lets you choose whether ACC unlocks or not and which cores to unlock - mine is all or nothing when it comes to unlocking)
Agreed on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uriel
My Asus M4A78-E unlocked an X2 5000 into triple core Phenom II easily.
My new Asus M3A78-T whilst a bargain at 51 quid (nice one Scan) failed to unlock in the brief try I gave it.
I just hope a future bios update gets the M3A board up to the same ACC feature level.
There was a core restrict feature on the M3A to turn off a number cores, but nothing to activate specific cores on unlock. I didn't try restricting to 2 cores and unlocking to see if the 6MB cache would pop up at least, and for other reasons the board is now back in its box so I can't try that for a while.
My Phenom II X3 710 on a Gigabyte MA770T-UD3P unlocked sucessfully to a quad but I havnt run it though prime due to tempertures as the CPU VRM area is meant to run hot and it reommends additional cooling for it.
Thanks for the info......he finally went with an Asus M4A785TD-V EVO and a 550BE, unlocked to 4 cores, prime stable :)
BIOS version can be key. On my board the A01 (early 2009, I think) BIOS didn't unlock. A07 (Oct 09) and A09 (Dec 09) both unlock.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix
Some manufacturers are taking unlocking out of newer BIOS versions. Asus and Gigabyte have incorporated the 'fix' (so ACC works without core unlocking - it's very handy for overclocking Phenom Is), whilst electing to give the consumer the option of unlocking.
MSI also gives the option for ACC with or without unlock but some MSI boards don't have the necessary voltage controls to stabilise CPUs that are a little bit dodgy.
The voltage on my CPU is a bit weird. At Athlon II X3 425 stock it used a Vcore of 1.320 under load and yet unlocked to a Phenom II X4 B25 it only needs 1.280 . I would of expected it to need more.
Anyhow I'm now overclocked at 3.01GHz which is were I think I'll end this madness. £54 for a 3GHz quad core is quite the bargain :)
I'm using 4GB Corsair DDR2 (TWIN2X4096-6400C5) memory and an Asus M4A785D-M Pro motherboard. Using BIOS revision 0704 which is the newest on the Asus website.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilsonian
So all you guys are using DDR2 ?
The system I speced for the guy at work had DDR3Quote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
Most of the Athlon IIs will undervolt from stock quite happily.
I'm using DDR2 but this X2 5000+ is AM2+ so the IMC doesn't control DDR3. I've seen plenty of people unlocking AM3 chips with DDR3 though.
I'm one of the unlucky ones with a 550 BE. Unlocked it, booted fine, ran prime for about 4-5 hours without an issue, however, when gaming it kept crashing after about 20~ minutes. Have not had any issues as a dual core so i'll just stick to a 3.8ghz dual core I suppose :>
I unlocked my Sempy 140 on DDR3 (1x2GB) with an ASUS M4A785G-TD-M EVO (or whatever it's ridiculously complex name is ;) ). But as Uriel says, the X2 5000+ is socket AM2+, so DDR2 only for those...
Bugger, thought i was onto something then why mine wont unlock, other than the fact that it wont :( Maybe them new six-core ones will be AM3, if not they'll push the prices of the X2/3/4's down to a decent level :)
What're you trying to unlock, a Sempy 140?
Could just have been unlucky with the chip - after all, there must be a reason they're not selling them as Athlon X2s outright. Mine started exhibiting instability after a couple of weeks running unlocked @ 1.05V (-0.3v from stock) and I've taken it back to a single core as I don't really need the second core for playing DVDs and watching iPlayer ;)
Yeah its a Sempron - would of been nice to have the extra 'oomph though, its only going to be used for Office and browsing and it seems to partial to a mild overclock ^_^
By the way how are you undervolting, mine only offers the option to go to auto no matter how much i mash "-"
You're on the mATX Evo, right? I'll have a look tomorrow and let you know!
Yeah, same as you!Quote:
Originally Posted by scaryjim
Six cores, hmm lets hope they release some of those locked down to dual core as well eh? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Terbinator
I bought a Phenom II x2 550BE and an ASRock M3A790GMH/128M just before Christmas. I updated the BIOS to the latest v1.3 and unlocked to get 4 cores (didn't even try with the BIOS that the mobo shipped with). I ran various burn-in tests for at least an hour and everything was stable.
With unlocked cores, it doesn't seem possible to see the core temepratures any more, but the CPU package temperature is still reported. With the stock cooler that came with the CPU, the temperature didn't get over 60 deg.c. when running the burn-in tests (ambient ~23 deg.c.). The core temps seem to be within 5 deg.c. of the package temps at the most. But I'm planning on updating the cooler before running SETI@home with the unlocked CPU !
This isn't the cheapest mobo/CPU combination that may unlock, but it worked for me, and if it hadn't, I'd still been left with a decent set-up. My philosophy was to build something that met my needs and take any unlock as a bonus :)
would it be possible to unlock a 965 or a good amd processor to something AMD has not released
No, there aren't anymore hidden/locked out cores or cache on them!Quote:
Originally Posted by shakerist
Not yet. When hex cores become available I wouldn't be surprised to see a few chips unlocking to more than 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakerist
Opterons are up to 12 core (recently spotted in the wild on ebay;)) so who knows what the future has in store...
does unlocking significantly reduce life expectancy of a cpu or is it just like overclocking ?
Well CPUs are designed to last for 10 years apparently and I really don't think most people will use their chip for more than 5 years. And then when you think about it, I really doubt unlocking and overclocking will reduce the life span of the CPU by more than half so I don't think there's anything to worry about.
The only thing that you should worry about IMO is whether or not it's stable and the temperatures haha.
it wont reduce the life if you dont need to increase volts to keep it stable but just like ocing if you up the volts then lifetime decreases but as long as you are within safe limits you will get rid of the CPU before it diesQuote:
Originally Posted by shakerist