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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anteries View Post
    Something that would clock right down for tiny power consumption when downloading stuff and general browsing.
    That's what we need right there. We need a dual core or quad core than when needed it can run upto 3GHz or something, but then when you're using less than 10% or whatever, it can just clock all the way down to 500MHz on each core or something. or 1GHz on 1 core and turn off the other 3. That would be more than sufficient for what I use my PC for most of the time.

    NVIDIA and AMD seem to have got their power saving going in the right direction. My GTX275 clocks right down to:

    Core: 150MHz from 633MHz
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    Memory: 80MHz from 2268MHz

    And using my little energy monitor thingy, if I put the idle speed upto normal clocks it raises my computers power usage by about 30-40W, even though the computer is doing exactly what it was.

    So something like that from Intel and AMD would be brilliant

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by matty-hodgson View Post
    We need a dual core or quad core than when needed it can run upto 3GHz or something, but then when you're using less than 10% or whatever, it can just clock all the way down to 500MHz on each core or something.
    How about an Intel Xeon L3426? A 1.86GHz Quad core with the potential to Turbo Boost to 3.2GHz, all wrapped up in a 45W TDP. I imagine at idle EIST drops it to just a few watts, too...

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by badass View Post
    If you're concerned enough about money that you're really keeping an eye on your PC's power consumption, never buy an Intel extreme CPU again! It'll take years of power consumption to pay back the cost difference of that CPU over more reasonably priced alternatives!
    that, dear chap, depends whaty you paid for the QX6700 doesn't it?

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    I think we need either a quad and an atom on one motherboard (see my previous post) OR we need a motherboard that drops the multiplier AND the ram much further down that they currently do...

    and maybe that drops the PCI Express card too.

    To be honest.. if it were possible... maybe we need 3d Pass through cards back.... onboard graphics for 2d... and then the 3d card kicks in for 3d. Oh hold on... nvidia just launched that

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by matty-hodgson View Post
    That's what we need right there. We need a dual core or quad core than when needed it can run upto 3GHz or something, but then when you're using less than 10% or whatever, it can just clock all the way down to 500MHz on each core or something. or 1GHz on 1 core and turn off the other 3. That would be more than sufficient for what I use my PC for most of the time.

    NVIDIA and AMD seem to have got their power saving going in the right direction. My GTX275 clocks right down to:

    Core: 150MHz from 633MHz
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    Memory: 80MHz from 2268MHz

    And using my little energy monitor thingy, if I put the idle speed upto normal clocks it raises my computers power usage by about 30-40W, even though the computer is doing exactly what it was.

    So something like that from Intel and AMD would be brilliant
    Don't worry, both AMD and Intel do get that.

    I believe AMD set the idle clocks to 800MHz on their CPUs because setting them lower makes sod all difference to power consumption but instead just makes the machine feel less responsive.

    Most of the saving comes not from the underclocking, but from the undervolting that underclocking allows. So, if AMD feel that they have a minimum voltage they dare run and stay reliable, and at that voltage the CPU can safely do 800MHz, then that is the idle speed.

    I think when the Phenom range came out AMD said the volts & clocks can be set independently on all cores, though I don't think my motherboard does that. I do notice in Linux my machine quite often has one core at 3.4GHz and the others idle at 800MHz when running a program though.

    The next step is to dump a core's CPU registers into some ram and shut power off entirely to that core to eliminate the static leakage power. I think Intel may already be doing some of that, AMD are certainly putting it in upcoming models.

    AMD Llano stuff on Anandtech talking about clock & power gating

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Don't worry, both AMD and Intel do get that.

    I believe AMD set the idle clocks to 800MHz on their CPUs because setting them lower makes sod all difference to power consumption but instead just makes the machine feel less responsive.

    Most of the saving comes not from the underclocking, but from the undervolting that underclocking allows. So, if AMD feel that they have a minimum voltage they dare run and stay reliable, and at that voltage the CPU can safely do 800MHz, then that is the idle speed.

    I think when the Phenom range came out AMD said the volts & clocks can be set independently on all cores, though I don't think my motherboard does that. I do notice in Linux my machine quite often has one core at 3.4GHz and the others idle at 800MHz when running a program though.

    The next step is to dump a core's CPU registers into some ram and shut power off entirely to that core to eliminate the static leakage power. I think Intel may already be doing some of that, AMD are certainly putting it in upcoming models.

    AMD Llano stuff on Anandtech talking about clock & power gating
    Yup, the AMD CPUs (at least mine) do drop to 800MHz, and the voltage drops around 0.3-0.4V (to around 0.9V).

    And about undervolting, I've done a bit of that, and you can see the results here (not much, but proves a point ):
    http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardwa...adventure.html

    As for the question, I'd definitely like to see a bit of both - more power for same/similar power consumption and noise (ofc, less is always better here!)

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    More energy efficient PC's would be great.

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    my intel drops to 1600mghz

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    I tend to find I upgrade when I can source components eitre very cheap of free (when a friend upgrades they tend to offer me their left overs), so I only tend to spend money on things like PSUs, memory and graphics cards I find. I tend to stick behind the curve a bit though as a result, but I don't mind.
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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    my intel drops to 1600mghz
    Yeah, mine does too (when at stock). But the voltage drops by only .1v which just isn't anywhere near enough to make a saving .

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    Re: What do you want in the next few years?

    lol to some everything up what i want is a fast, long lasting and energy efficient cpu

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