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    SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    I'm planning my first build and have 90% decided on the following components

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    These were chosen for compatibility, inclusion of USB & SATA 3 and so I could upgrade fairly cheaply in the future by adding GPU(s) in crossfire and further HDDs.

    As I said this is my first build so I been feverishly genning up on various build sites when I came across an article that suggested that this Hard drive has; (1) issues with Win 7 and (2) possible conflict with the Marvell interface which reduces the SATA 3 transfer rates equivalent to SATA 2 rates.

    Can any hardware gurus out there offer some such needed advice to a slightly confused build newbie.

    Is it worth going the SATA 3 route or should I stick to SATA2
    Last edited by Attila the Bun; 03-07-2010 at 10:20 AM. Reason: forgot the actual question

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Getting a SATA3 hard drive isn't of any benefit at the moment, so don't spend over the odds for one. I'd not heard that about win 7 and the marvell interface - in fact the only tests I've seen with a device fast enough to show the difference seem to show that the controller is working faster than SATA2 speeds on win 7 (see reviews for micron/crucial real300 SSD).

    Personally I am in favour of getting USB3 and Sata 6gbps - the former are needed for upcoming card readers and external hard drives, while the latter are needed for SSDs in the future. All of those are things I'm interested in. But you'll probably be able to get add-in cards so it's not the be all and end all.

    However I wouldn't use crossfire as your means of upgrading in the future - crossfire/SLI is effective if you use it from the outset, but for upgrading you're nearly always better off just replacing the single card with a new generation single card.

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Getting a SATA3 hard drive isn't of any benefit at the moment, so don't spend over the odds for one. I'd not heard that about win 7 and the marvell interface - in fact the only tests I've seen with a device fast enough to show the difference seem to show that the controller is working faster than SATA2 speeds on win 7 (see reviews for micron/crucial real300 SSD).

    Personally I am in favour of getting USB3 and Sata 6gbps - the former are needed for upcoming card readers and external hard drives, while the latter are needed for SSDs in the future. All of those are things I'm interested in. But you'll probably be able to get add-in cards so it's not the be all and end all.

    However I wouldn't use crossfire as your means of upgrading in the future - crossfire/SLI is effective if you use it from the outset, but for upgrading you're nearly always better off just replacing the single card with a new generation single card.
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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Quote Originally Posted by Attila the Bun View Post
    I'm planning my first build and have 90% decided on the following components

    Lancool K58 case
    Intel i7 920 D0
    Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Rev 2
    Sapphire Radeon HD5770
    6gb Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600mhz RAM
    Antec True Power Modular 650w PSU
    1tb Western Digital 6gb SATA 3 Hard Drive

    These were chosen for compatibility, inclusion of USB & SATA 3 and so I could upgrade fairly cheaply in the future by adding GPU(s) in crossfire and further HDDs.

    As I said this is my first build so I been feverishly genning up on various build sites when I came across an article that suggested that this Hard drive has; (1) issues with Win 7 and (2) possible conflict with the Marvell interface which reduces the SATA 3 transfer rates equivalent to SATA 2 rates.

    Can any hardware gurus out there offer some such needed advice to a slightly confused build newbie.

    Is it worth going the SATA 3 route or should I stick to SATA2
    I've just gone down the sata 3 and usb route, future proof

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    If you want to use fans in the top of the K58 then you also need a set of the Lian-Li grommited fan screws
    http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/cust...cat=862&page=1
    And I'd sugest a couple of these fas for the top (again 140mm fans only in the top slots)
    http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/cust...cat=892&page=1
    They'er great fans for the cost and near slient.

    Other options would be the Yate loon http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/cust...cat=892&page=1
    r the Fractal design http://specialtech.co.uk/spshop/cust...cat=892&page=1

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Thanks for the advice. But could you explain why crossfire/sli from the outset.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    However I wouldn't use crossfire as your means of upgrading in the future - crossfire/SLI is effective if you use it from the outset, but for upgrading you're nearly always better off just replacing the single card with a new generation single card.
    My plan was to purchase first GPU for build then the next one 2-3 months later to spread the cost.

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Quote Originally Posted by Attila the Bun View Post
    Thanks for the advice. But could you explain why crossfire/sli from the outset.

    My plan was to purchase first GPU for build then the next one 2-3 months later to spread the cost.
    Simply that as time passes the technology improves, but with crossfire/sli you're slaved to the same level of technology that you bought in the first place.

    On a short timescale that's probably okay, but then there is the usual argument that if you can do without crossfire for 3 months do you need it at all?

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Basically, I would always say: if you can get the power of two cards in one card, you're better off doing it that way.

    ie don't buy a 5770 now, and then in 15 months buy another 5770. You'll be much better off selling the 5770 and buying a 6770, or whatever's out by then.

    I think in this case it does make sense... to match a pair of 5770s you'd need a 5870, and if you're paying around £130 each for the 5770s, that's £260 versus £320 for a 5870, and the £60 saving isn't to be sniffed at.

    If you do the upgrade in 15 months' time though, I'm almost certain that it'll be a different situation.

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    Ok, the thing is I'm building this because I could be out of a job in the within next 6 months and as I'm an systems analyst / applications developer I want something that I can load all the software that I need and run the business from home. Also, I like to play games as well but I'm not a hardcore gamer, I do some low grade animations for fun and I'm planning a home LAN.

    So the thinking is: good "bang for buck" but with enough future proofing to allow system upgrades that isn't going to cost the earth.

    I've done some homework and I think that the spec I have above offers what I need initially but with the ability to upgrade the processor, graphics, ram and interfaces without changing the whole lot each time.

    Your advice makes me think I go 2 x sata 2 on the hard drive rather than 1 x times sata 3 straight away. Maybe radeon 48 rather than 57 but as the HDMI and Display Port is standard on 57 I will probably stick with it.

    I'm new to the hardware side of computing so feel free to point out any errors in my thinking and choice of components.

    By the way how do you say thanks here officially or does the s/w pick it up from the text?
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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    You need 25 posts to thank people: http://forums.hexus.net/welcome-hexu...r-rewards.html

    What does 2 x SATA 2 mean?

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    Re: SATA 3 - Some advice would be appreciated

    2 x sata 2 is 2 lots of HDDs with sata 2 connections rather than 1 sata 3 connected HDD

    and as I haven't reached 25 posts yet...Thanks for the input

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