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    New products based on G104?

    Hello,

    I have been very impressed with the improvements in terms of power efficiency and GPU temperatures with the new GTX 460 card. However, the level of performance is a little low for what I need (I would need a card with the performance of something like the 470).

    As I would rather stick to NV for certain reasons, I am wondering if there will be any more higher performance products based on this new deriviative of the Fermi GPU? Or is it only "smaller and cheaper" from now on?

    As I understand it, one of the core clusters on the current 460 product is disabled, and that therefore a better product could materialise with this cluster activated. Does this rule out the possibilty of a completely new product based on the same improved GPU?
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    Re: New products based on G104?

    They probably won't allow for the full shader product since it would have lower yields - maybe if they improve enough, something with all the shaders and high clocks would be possible.

    That said, the overclocked 460 1GB crouches near 470.

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    Quote Originally Posted by AD-15 View Post
    As I understand it, one of the core clusters on the current 460 product is disabled, and that therefore a better product could materialise with this cluster activated.
    Yep.
    Does this rule out the possibilty of a completely new product based on the same improved GPU?
    What do you mean by completely new yet also based on the same?

    If you mean series/model name then sure - nVidia are quite happy to label two different cards with the same name, so I wouldn't put it past them to also give different names to ones based on the same GPU (which they've also done before, thinking of it).

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    *holds breath*

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    They may re-activate a core cluster as said but the naming is going to be a mess. can't really go from a 460 to a 465 and 470 is already taken. why they can't go back to the GSO, GT, GTS, GTX labelling I can't understand. They should have used this on the two 460s already.

    Dual GPU card is probably going to be the top performance card imo.

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    nvidia alledgedly still use the G/GT/GTS/GTX naming, but it's not really had much of a run out since the 8-series (I suppose there was the 9600GSO...), and so far it's been applied when they've used a different core for 2 cards with the same number (was it the GT240 and GTS240?).

    There's no technical reason (unless yields are particularly bad) they couldn't release a full-fat GF104, but I suspect it might be as part of a rebranding exercise to a 5-series when they get GF100 running all 512 cores at a higher clock speed. A full fat GF104 would be too close to the current GTX470 for comfort, I think...

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    Yeah I think you're right - good excuse for a new 500 series line up headed by the dual gf104 card, with an 8/8 gf104 chip as the performance market. 7/8 chips rebranded for the new series.

    Afterall, AMD haven't been sitting idle...

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    Things could be getting exciting; any bets on the next move? One thing I was wondering is
    whether the GF104 cheaper to make than the RV870? ATI to drop prices on the 5850 when the 460 is readily available would be the first response; i can't imagine them flogging more out of the 5830.

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    Quote Originally Posted by Domestic_Ginger View Post
    Things could be getting exciting; any bets on the next move? One thing I was wondering is
    whether the GF104 cheaper to make than the RV870? ATI to drop prices on the 5850 when the 460 is readily available would be the first response; i can't imagine them flogging more out of the 5830.
    GF104 is still more expense to make (in terms of die size) than the RV870, but only by a small margin. However top end cypress is still much faster, so AMD do have more room to drop prices.

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    Rumour mill says dual GPU card is on the way "later this year" whatever that means.

    http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/gra...wo-gf104-chips

    I am sure they will introduce new variants over time, but right now they are probably selling all they can make just with the basic 460 card.

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    I think it was always obvious the dual GPU of GF104 would be coming at some point, I'm keen to see whether they (Nvidia) do a full top to bottom range based on Fermi like ATi did with Evergreen.
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    for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.

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    Re: New products based on G104?

    Any rumours about on the Southern Islands GPUs from ATI? Charlie thought they'd taped out in April (source), but I've heard nothing since.


    EDIT: Q4 for announcement of the new ATI cards with launch early 2011 apparently: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d..._Up_in_Q4.html
    Last edited by GheeTsar; 15-07-2010 at 04:03 PM.

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