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    your thoughts on velocirapter

    hi does anyone have one or know about them, i am thinking of getting one in my new pc.
    are they a big advantage on performance, my mobo will be the asus p658xd-e with 6gb of ram and a 650psu and also 3 hd 1tb each.
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Money would be better spent on a SSD boot drive i would imagine.

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    A friend of mine had one and loved it. Better value than SSD at the moment i think and good performance. I read this review a while back, thought it might be useful:

    http://www.reghardware.com/2008/09/0...hdd/page5.html

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Quote Originally Posted by george1979 View Post
    A friend of mine had one and loved it. Better value than SSD at the moment i think and good performance. I read this review a while back, thought it might be useful:

    http://www.reghardware.com/2008/09/0...hdd/page5.html
    Thats two years out of date.

    An SSD is better as theyre faster in almost every area, and if its storage your after - just get an F3 or WD Caviar Black; both are pretty much on par with a Raptor anyway.
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    ssd are very high in price and i thought a 450gb rapter would be just as good as spending double the money
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    I did say I read it a while back!

    I was just reading this as I am looking at the Samsung F3 for my computer and it seems to outperform the velociraptor ( I was suprised too) so you may be better saving your money or going for an SSD.

    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sto...-1tb-review/10

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    what size ssd would i need to house my o/s win 7 premium, i thought it had to be 250 to be able to take updates etc?
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    I had one of the 73GB raptor drives. It was good, but it didn't make any big noticable difference to normal PC performance when compared to a then middle of the road SATA drive. (maybe shaved 1 second from boot time)

    I have since done some upgrades and for a while had XP (my pc is dual boot between XP and 7) running on an ancient IDE drive that someone gave me. I have now upgraded my Raptor to a 15k SAS drive and XP has a partition on that. Now that DOES make a difference, but it is still not significant in any way.

    If you are on a tight budget then don't bother with anything other than a normal SATA (not a green one) drive.

    If you have the money to spare and don't have any big performance issue with your current PC then a Raptor will mean you can be safe in the knowledge that your PC is slightly faster than it was before the Raptor, but it is not likely to make any big difference.

    A decent flash SSD will give a decent performance boost (I believe, I've never tried one), but be careful, there are still some with awful write performance.

    What do you use this PC for? Are you just wanting to make a decent PC quicker or do you often do tasks that require shifting significant quantities of data from / to the disk? What you use it for will then govern whether seek time or throughput matter most to you.

    Of course a HyperOS HyperDrive 5 will shift data (and your money) quicker than anything else.

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Quote Originally Posted by antec74 View Post
    what size ssd would i need to house my o/s win 7 premium, i thought it had to be 250 to be able to take updates etc?
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    I had windows 7 running on a 20GB drive for a while. It was a little tight but didn't run out of space. Of course there wasn't room to install any programs, it was just internet use but you could have a second drive for applications.

    I also had win7 on my 73GB Raptor for ages and that was fine. Although it did get short on space when I had local installs of SQL, Office and VS team suite.

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    i use will be using it for photoshop and lightroom, i do photography so i like fast upload times, it does not have to be mega fast but because this is the first pc built for my spec i want to have it nice and quick!
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Quote Originally Posted by antec74 View Post
    i use will be using it for photoshop and lightroom, i do photography so i like fast upload times, it does not have to be mega fast but because this is the first pc built for my spec i want to have it nice and quick!
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    Best drives for the price at the minute is the 64GB Crucial C300, and the 60GB offerings from OCZ (Vertex 2E) and G.Skill (Pheonix Pro).

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    The VRs are good, make no mistake, and if you're upgrading from a relatively slow 7200 drive you'll definitely notice the difference. It's just that, as has been said already, the price/performance ratio just isn't good enough anymore, especially with SSDs getting cheaper by the week.

    To use a very loose analogy, going from a 'standard' 7200 HDD to a VR = 56k to ISDN, whereas 7200 to SSD = 56k to broadband.

    Of course SSDs really aren't designed for lots of write-intensive activities, so if you just want a single-drive solution that will be a good allrounder and price isn't really a factor, the larger capacity VR is worth a punt.

    Surely, however, the best way to go at the moment is SSD boot + fast 7200 storage. The f3s are extremely cheap now and, again as has already been said, can keep up with a VR in many scenarios (although, I own both and the VR definitely beats it overall). This solution has got to be the best price/performance solution, even with the relative high cost of SSDs.

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Remember, F3s are *nowhere* near VR's in terms of access/seek times. It's a bit like throwing two cars off a cliff and proclaiming that because they explode off the bottom off the cliff at the same time both cars perform equally.
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Since you using 3 other 1tb drives as storage i would defo opt for a SSD as a boot drive, i would imagine something around the 60-80gb mark would more then suffice for windows 7 and applications.

    SSD come into their own as they have a 0.1ms seek time compared with a standard HD thats around 8ms-16ms, doesn't sound a lot but makes a difference.

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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Moving to a VR made a noticable improvement
    but moving to SSD was like a whole new computer... they are just in a different league.
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    Re: your thoughts on velocirapter

    Quote Originally Posted by antec74 View Post
    what size ssd would i need to house my o/s win 7 premium, i thought it had to be 250 to be able to take updates etc?
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    One of the SSDs in the 60-64gb capacity is adequate. I have a 60gb Vertex 2E and it has Win7/Office 07/Adobe CS4/1 large game (COH 8gb)/various useful small utils inc. Nero, etc. Ive got about 18gb left. Shifted a lot of the temp folders inc. IE8, Winrar, etc. to the VelociRaptor to avoid heavy writing to the SSD.

    PS CS4 loads in 3 secs on the Vertex and every tool/filter loads in lighting-fast time.

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