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    Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Supposedly Bulldozer will be close to the Core i7:

    http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...ose-to-core-i7


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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Good!

    Come on AMD! Bring it back!

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Grrrr. IE6 at work and it can't load the page.
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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Quote Originally Posted by Phage View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by FUD
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    We have some good news for everyone who would like to see AMD make a big comeback in style.

    Since the time when Athlon used to be a high-end brand, and by that we mean the good old K8 core, it's been a while since AMD had a high end part capable of competing with Intel on a par.

    However, initial test scores that slipped to a hands of industry source are suggesting that Bulldozer should come really close to new Core i7 six-core CPUs. Bulldozer has both six and eight cores in the pipeline and they should be launching before the end of Q2 2011, at least that is the current schedule.

    The performance of Bulldozer should come really close to Core i7, but we don't know if this might be enough to take Intel's high end market dominance. Samples of Bulldozer are out for a while now and the full production should start as soon as this quarter.

    Sources are suggesting that and yields should be quite good and that the chip is doing just fine in 32nm. One thing is certain, even if Core i7 remains faster, Bulldozer X8 and X6 parts should end up way cheaper. It looks like AMD will finally give Intel a run for its money.
    Looks promising.

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    There is a rumour that AMD will bring back the FX branding too:

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rocessors.html


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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Could be a real contender for my next build. It's going to be all about pricing.
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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Always a generation behind

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Always a generation behind
    Fudzilla was talking about Sandy Bridge AFAIK.

    OTH,if IPC is even slightly behind a socket 1366 Core i7,they can use higher frequencies and more cores like they are doing ATM.

    Also,AMD will be using a 32NM production process like Intel is using ATM.


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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    I'll believe it when I see it... sadly AMD need to make some serious gains to catch up with the new Sandy Bridge CPUs they'll probably be priced against - platform to platform. I won't be surprised if this refers to a higher clocked 8 core Bulldozer matching a 6 core Intel chip, a chip which has been around a year or so already... which isn't that much for AMD to shout about, especially as Intel clearly have frequency headroom on their chips.

    The 1366 refresh next year will probably be much faster though with 6/8 core parts and I can't see Intel losing the absolute fastest platform title - I doubt it'll even be close TBH.

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Hey don't be so negative, AMD getting some market back will be better for everyone, except Intel's shareholders of course. People also forget (deliberately?) to factor in the cost of the motherboard - for the past few years at least and maybe even before that, AMD motherboards have been substantially cheaper and better value for money meaning the price/performance for the whole system isn't like what some Intel biased (cough Bittech) reviewers claim. And without Intel playing so dirty by forcing companies to use only their chips and such, the market should be more fair to AMD, especially since the very high-end only accounts for a tiny amount of the PC market.

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Quote Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle View Post
    I'll believe it when I see it... sadly AMD need to make some serious gains to catch up with the new Sandy Bridge CPUs they'll probably be priced against - platform to platform.
    With cheaper and better specified motherboards,the AMD option probably will end up a bit cheaper still in many cases even if the CPUs are price similarly.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle View Post
    I won't be surprised if this refers to a higher clocked 8 core Bulldozer matching a 6 core Intel chip, a chip which has been around a year or so already...
    You do realise each the Bulldozer modules is smaller than a normal core?? A 8 core Bulldozer chip will probably end up being smaller than a current Phenom II X6.

    The current Sandy Bridge Core i7 quad cores are still slower than a Core i7 980X six core processor in any software which can make use of all six cores.

    The fact that a most likely cheaper CPU will match a £700+ processor is quite impressive IMHO especially if it smaller and cheaper to make.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingpotnoodle View Post
    which isn't that much for AMD to shout about, especially as Intel clearly have frequency headroom on their chips.
    The Phenom II X6 has nearly a billion transistors and has a huge die. Yet it has around the same TDP as Core i7 six core processor and is hitting similar frequencies. AMD is doing this on a 45NM process whereas Intel is using a 32NM process.

    It is IPC which is the problem for AMD with their current processors.

    However,this time around BOTH companies will have their high end chips on 32NM.


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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Things are about to get very interesting...

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    I still think AMD is coming up short, I mean to only be matching a 980x which is a generation old doesn't bode well.

    Intel has more tricks, such as six-eight core processors(Sandy Bridge-EX), Quad channel RAM, Hyper threading and the 22nm process.

    AMD really need to have something really special.

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Fudzilla was talking about Sandy Bridge AFAIK.
    Which sandy bridge processors have 6 cores?

    Just like the Phenom X6, they'll win or come close in benches that can utilise their core advantage, but don't forget, they only have a numerical 'core' advantage for some types of tasks.

    They'll still be ace chips, we could have just done with them sooner to prevent Intel from all but skipping 32nm nehalem high end designs through lack of competition.

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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Which sandy bridge processors have 6 cores?
    The article mentions "new". OTH,it could also mean the Core i7 990X which would be quite impressive still.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Just like the Phenom X6, they'll win or come close in benches that can utilise their core advantage, but don't forget, they only have a numerical 'core' advantage for some types of tasks.

    They'll still be ace chips, we could have just done with them sooner to prevent Intel from all but skipping 32nm nehalem high end designs through lack of competition.
    Both companies are on a 32NM production process now and as you know Bulldozer has smaller cores than the Phenom II it replaces. This means the CPUs will probably be more cost effective,have better power consumption and most likely will be able to be clocked higher too.


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    Re: Bulldozer to come close to the Core i7

    Fingers X'd there rumors aren't like all of the original Phenom rumors.
    I remember how the Barcelona CPU's were going to be released at 2.9 GHz and be faster than any Intel Core 2 CPU.

    If they are as fast as a Core i7 Sandy Bridge CPU and appropriately priced, they may well make up my next rig.
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