Settle an argument - 2700+ Barton

[GreenPiggy]

Hopefully someone clever here can give me the definitive answer so I can tell Flash he's wrong.

He's bidding on a processor on Ebay which is quoted as being a 2700+ Barton but I don't believe they exist.
It says on the auction that it runs at 2.17 Gig which I believe must make it a thoroughbred.
Anyone disagree?

[Tom]

the 2700+ iirc is one of the few chips that are available as both barton and thoroughbred....the barton however is very rare.

I might be wrong though so I will leave it to someone who knows what they are talkin about to clear this up

[GreenPiggy]

I'm positive that the 2.17Gig chip is a thoroughbred, after all a 3200+ Barton is 2.2Gig.
I just need a clever bod to confirm it.

[0iD]

The 2700 is a Thoroughbred B core (13x333fsb) chip & to my knowledge was never a Barton (tho I may be wrong). The 2600 & 2800's did however appear in both guises iirc.

[Kezzer]

2700+ barton 2.17GHz processor does seem to be available from certain retailers. Very rare but possible it seems.

[GreenPiggy]

I've seen it on some URLs too but i reckon its a misprint/scam. The PR should be at least 3000+ if that was the case.

[Kezzer]

misprint/scam? I saw it on about 10 different retailers. That's a big misprint.

[GreenPiggy]

It just makes no sense thats all. the 2600+ Barton is ~1.97Gig
the 2800+ Barton is 2.08Gig
Which retailers?

[Defiant]

The 2700+ comes as 2 different cores Thoroughbred B and Barton, but I believe they run at 166mhz.

The barton has 54.3 Transistors and the Thoroughbred B has 37.5, so the barton will run at 1.80Ghz native at a 11x multiplier.

I think the Thoroughbred B does as well, but the Bartons (early ones) can run at a higher multiplier as they are unlocked.

12x166=1.99Ghz
12.5x166=2.08Ghz
13x166=2.16Ghz

Sounds like he overclocked it as they are both 166FSB chips. 3000+ can be 166FSB and 200FSB parts and 3200+ are 200FSB parts only.

Get the chip code of the chip die and it will tell you the speed.

HAVE A LOOK HERE

[SilentDeath]

the 2800+ has a higher stock fsb iirc, 2700 barton does not, the extra fsb is why the 2800+ is not as fast in mhz, as one would normally expect.

[GreenPiggy]

That can't be right, i know there is a 2800+ 400FSB out now but it is only 2Gig (200*10)
as opposed to the 166 version - 1992Meg(166*12)
Doesn't answer the question

[Rave]

No, no, no. All of those talking about a Barton 2700 should do your research before spouting off. There is no such thing as a 2700 Barton. A Barton running at 2.17 on a 166fsb is a 3000. A Tbred running at the same speed is a 2700.

Anyone describing a 2700 as a Barton is just wrong. Here is the AMD datasheet for the Barton; you'll notice there's no listing for the 2700:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/26237.PDF

Rich :¬)

[GreenPiggy]

Wicked, knew i was right. Thankyou annoying Know it all

[Flash]

I never said you was wrong you div I was just proclaming that this guy had this in the ad for his auction

Model Type AMD ATHLON XP Retail Barton Core
CPU Speed (GHz) 2.17
Format Socket A
FSB (MHz) 333
Multiplier 0
Core Voltage (V) 1.65
I/O Voltage (V) 0
Level 1 Cache (KB) 64
Level 2 Cache (KB) 512

[Howard]

The 2.17 chip is a Thoroughbred. A 2700+ Barton doesn't exist.

[spazman]

level 2 cache is stated as 512k making it barton