Hexus Monthly Build Guide October 2011

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Intro Stuff and other shenigans

This month saw the release of the much anticipated AMD FX CPUs based on the new Bulldozer microarchitechure. However,it seems the new FX series is very much a server CPU shoe-horned into the client space;they emphasise highly multi-threaded performance over lightly threaded tasks.

In many lightly threaded applications such as most games the existing Phenom II CPUs offer similar performance;Bulldozer can only shine in highly multi-threaded games based on newer engines. This means current Sandy Bridge and Phenom II based CPUs are better value for gaming due to their better support for legacy engines. However,there is noise that improved motherboard support and improved Windows scheduling will help with lightly threaded performance. No doubt since Bulldozer is a very new architechure,introduces new instructions and is the first implementation of CMT, improved application support will also help performance too. The coming months will be interesting indeed!

However, things have not been all going Intel’s way lately. The Sandy Bridge E CPUs using the new socket 2011 infrastructure have been rumoured to have problems in their own right which will. It seems these will not be fully fixed until after launch which is supposed to be next month.

The GPU market has been relatively quiet amongst news of issues with the TSMC 28NM production process. It has been suggested that the HD7000 series is in production for a late 2011 or early 2012 release;Nvidia is also sampling the first GPUs based on the Kepler micro-architecture.

The NAND and DRAM market remains as volatile as ever. Even though RAM is at a all time low in pricing it has been suggested that prices might even drop further. However, with margins dropping even lower there are indications of consolidation within the market. It might be a good idea to stock up on some cheap RAM this year!

The guide and even more milarky

This months guide has been delayed due to the wait for the FX launch;however it has not massively changed from September.

This buyers guide will be in seven parts:

• The £750 Bigger Budget Gamer Build
• The £550 Gamer Orientated Build
• The £350 General Purpose Build
• The £550 HTPC Build
• The £550 SFF LAN Build
• Peripherals
• Other Bits and Summing up!

The builds only encompass the base unit including a copy of Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM(that was a mouth-full,phew!).

Monitors and other peripheral suggestions are on the third page of the guide.

This guide is not necessarily the only correct path available and is dependent on what components are available at the time it is formulated. These will change from time to time,as will the cost.
If any parts are not available,drop a line on the hardware forum(not literally!) and I am sure a friendly forum member will help you out. If you do happen to come across one who is not friendly a mod will soon be around to, ahem, beach them.

The guide is more geared towards decent quality components and upgradeability and is not necessarily the cheapest. Beware of the suggestions which place short term performance over long term reliability.

Component suggestions and price ranges are taken from Scan.com,Ebuyer.com,Dabs.com and Aria.com only.

Postage and special offers

Ebuyer offers free slow postage on orders over £49.99 and Dabs do the same for orders over £99. However,Scan offers free next day postage on orders over £20 excluding VAT for forum members with 20 constructive posts:

http://forums.hexus.net/scan-care-he...-delivery.html

Scan also has daily and weekly offers too:

Scan Today Only

Scan Shop Offers

As usual do shop around and check for the best prices.


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Bigger Budget Gamer Build

The Bigger Budget Gamer as the name implies is for the user who has a decent budget and wants high performance gaming at a reasonable price. It should run most games at 1920X1200 or 1920X1080 and even BF3(gasp,horror!) at reasonable settings if the Alpha results are any indication.

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The CPU choice this month is the Core i5 2500K offering blistering performance at stock speeds and decent overclocking headroom. However,remember overclocking is variable between different batches of CPUs so don't get worried if you don't hit the magical speeds seen on xtremesystems.com! OTH,they probably do push a gazillion volts through them(not good).

If you are worried about overclocking or simply CBA, remember a Core i5 2500K is as fast in games as the previous generation uber expensive Core i7 975 Extreme Edition(it's true). It means you still have a CPU faster than most of the gaming PCs in the world.

The P67 based MSI P67A-GD53 is my recommendation for this month. Its combination of price,overclocking ability and support for PCI-E 2.0 8X/8X Crossfire and SLI is hard to beat.
The alternative motherboards this month are based on the Z68 chipset which offers SSD caching and Quick Sync support. They both offer USB3.0 and SATA3.0 support.

The GPU choice this month is split between the GTX560TI and HD6950 1GB. Both offer comparable performance in many games;the HD6950 1GB supports multi-monitor gaming using one card and the GTX560TI fights back with better 3D support.

The case of choice this month is the ThermalTake Dokker(link). It has support for graphics cards upto 12.5" in length and has the advantage of an integral HDD dock. It even supports a 200mm top fan for those who like their cases windy! The alternate case this month is the Coolermaster CM690 II Lite(also known as the Basic) which can support graphics cards upto 11.9" in length(link).

The Antec TruePower New is a semi-modular Bronze rated PSU based on a reliable Seasonic design. With 4 PCI-E power connectors it is ready for SLI and Crossfire setups. The cheaper Bronze rated XFX PRO 650W is not modular but has cabling for two cards too and is also based on a Seasonic platform. For those of you wondering why I keep mentioning "bronze" rated it means the PSU is between 81% to 85% at most common loads. A new entry this month is the OCZ ZS 650W which is built by Sirfa;however it only has a single set of PCI-E power connectors but is a cheaper alternative to the other PSUs.

The Samsung F3 range is based on 500GB platters and offers an ideal mix of performance,noise and price compared to many competing models.

Both the Corsair A50 and Gelid Tranquillo air coolers are the coolers recommended this month. If you intend not to overclock my advice would be to get a Core i5 2500 and use the stock cooler. The A70 is a new entry this month due to a price cut and is considered a better if not harder cooler to find.

Optional Components

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If you want to take advantage of the current low RAM prices, as little as £38 will get you 8GB of branded 1600MHZ DDR3.

SSDs improve general responsive and loading time of the OS and applications. With the latest 0009 firmware,the Crucial M4 is my recommendation this month and offers a mix of decent read speeds and reliability. The SandForce SF2200 series SSDs have not been recommended this month due to firmware issues which have affected many implementations. However,these hopefully will be fully solved in the next few months meaning they will probably appear in the guide.

A sound card might be of use of those looking to improve the quality sound output from their PC and reduce the load on their CPU.




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Gamer Orientated Build

Gaming orientated builds need to consider a pair of upgrade cycles,namely the CPU and the GPU and hence a balance needs to be found between each other. An essential part of this mantra is having a decent motherboard.

Common components

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Both the HD6870 1GB and GTX560 1GB have very similar performance in games although the HD6870 has lower power consumption. I would be careful about confusing the slower GTX560 with the faster GTX560TI.

The choice of cases this month has changed with two new entries. The first is the new BitFenix Merc Alpha, a new budget case which can even take an HD6990! It also has support for 120MM fans too. The alternative this month is the Silverstone PS04B,which can accept graphics cards upto 32.8CM in length and supports 120MM fans too. The alternative alternate case this month is the Casecom K5-9388(link) which is an Ebuyer exclusive.

The lower wattage versions of the XFX PRO are currently hard to come by as XFX are introducing a modified version. So this month the new OCZ ZS 550W gets my recommendation. Another great PSU which has dropped in price is the semi-modular Antec TruePower New 550W which can for as little as £53 and is based on a tried and tested Seasonic platform.

The Samsung F3 range is based on 500GB platters and offers an ideal mix of performance,noise and price compared to many competing models.


Core Components

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This month we have split the core components list between an AMD based one and an Intel based one. The Phenom II X4 955BE quad core offers decent performance in multi-threaded games and has an unlocked multiplier for easy overclocking although an aftermarket heatsink will be required. The 970 motherboards are also compatible with the new AMD FX CPUs.

The Core i3 2100 has very strong single threaded performance meaning it will be excellent choice especially for lightly threaded games like StarCraft II. However,it cannot be overclocked but the MSI motherboards offer an upgrade path to the Core i5 2500k and possibly Ivy Bridge. Both the AMD and Intel motherboards offer USB3.0 and SATA3.0 ports.

Optional components

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With the lower price of RAM,8GB is a worthwhile upgrade if you multi-task extensively. However,it is not necessary for games ATM.

An SSD improves general responsive and loading time of applications. With latest firmware,the Crucial M4 is my recommendation this month and offers a mix of decent read speeds and reliability. The Kingston V+100 trades speed for capacity. However,even a relatively slow SSD will be a big improvement over a fast hard drive such as the Samsung F3.

The cooler choices this month are the same as for the Bigger Budget Build. The Hyper 212 has now risen in price to around £20 which is too close to better coolers.

General Purpose Build

The general purpose build is a budget build which is capable of light gaming as well as decent performance in a range of applications.

Common components


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The HD5670 GDDR5 is the graphics card choice for this month. The similarly priced GT440 GDDR5 is around 10% to 15% slower on average and consumes more power. If you are running Linux I would get a Nvidia card as 3D support is better.

The case of choice this month is the Casecom 7288 which is an Ebuyer exclusive. For the price it offers features seen in much more expensive cases such as a top mounted PSU,120MM fan attachments and tool-less drive bays.

The Antec EA380W is the PSU choice this month and is based on a Seasonic platform. The XFX PRO 450W is being replaced by a second version meaning it is hard to find ATM. If you do intend to a card like an HD6870 1GB in the future it might advisable to go for one of the PSUs mentioned in the Gamer Orientated Build. There are other slightly more powerful PSUs in the £40 price range but these trade power for build quality.

The F3 500GB uses a single platter meaning lower noise and higher performance. The alternative is the tried and tested Western Digital Caviar Blue which is a slower design.


Core components

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This month's recommendation is for the Athlon II X3 450 or 455. It combines reasonable single threaded performance with decent performance in multi-threaded applications such as video encoding and many modern games. The Pentium G840 is the Intel alternative which has strong performance in image editing applications and lightly threaded games such as StarCraft II.

The AMD motherboards mentioned this month are based on the older 760G chipset;the 800 and 900 series motherboards have not reached this price level yet. They are both AM3+ which means Bulldozer is supported. Both motherboards work with 125W TDP CPUs. The Intel alternative motherboards are based on the H61 chipset meaning they are limited to only two RAM slots. Both Asus motherboards support USB3.0 though. None of these motherboards are really orientated for overclocking.

HTPC Build

This build is primarily for media playback and recording purposes.

Common Components

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The case chosen this month is the Silverstone Milo ML03B which offers an excellent blend of size,cost and looks for a lower end case. The alternative is the slightly bigger Silverstone GD05 which has three 120MM fans included as well(how nice of them).

The Antec EA380 has 80+ Bronze which means excellent efficiency. The Samsung F4 is well regarded for its low noise and low power consumption. The Western Digital Caviar Green is a similarly priced if not slower and hotter running alternative. The Hauppauge WinTV Nova-TD 500 has dual tuners and is a popular choice among HTPC enthusiasts. The Enermax T.B.Silence VR have twister bearings(a ball bearing variant) for a longer lifespan than cheaper sleeve bearing fans and have an integral fan controller.

Of course another important component in an HTPC is a proper keyboard. The recommendation this month is the Xenta PKB-1720 for around £20 delivered(link).
The previously recommended Rii mini wireless keyboard is now not available from LinITX.com but can had from Play but is now £10 more expensive(link).


Core components

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This month we see a change in the recommended parts for the HTPC. The Llano A4 CPUs have now launched meaning the previous Pentium G620T and HD6450 combination has now been superceded.

Howeever,the recommedation this months is for the A6-3500 which has a powerful 320 shader IGP,UVD3 block and a triple core CPU all wrapped up in a 65W TDP. However,if you do need that level of processing power,the 65W A4-3400 is a cheaper alternative with an HD6450 level IGP,UVD3 decode block and slightly higher singled threaded performance.

The stock cooler is 4CM high so should be fine for the cases listed however if proves to noisy, the Scythe Shuriken has a quieter fan.

Optional components

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For the more discerning HTPC enthusiast a more powerful decode card might be of use. The GT440 DDR3 and HD6570 DDR3 will be ideal for such usage due to their increased shader power and memory bandwidth.

Note

There has been noise about the Hi10 encoded anime needing a very fast CPU. ATM,until I have done more research on this I cannot verify this claim. OTH,it could have been some people trying to win the contest of the worlds most overpowered HTPC??

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SFF LAN Build

An important aspect of an SFF build is to choose components with lower power consumption and heat production. The SFFLAN Build this month has not changed although some of the parts have risen in price.

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The case chosen this month is the relatively svelte Silverstone SG05. However,despite its small dimensions it packs a 450W PSU and can accept a reasonably long graphics card. The CPU choice for this month is the Core i3 2100 which has decent performance in games despite its 65W TDP and comes complete with a low profile cooler. The CPU is coupled with the latest H67 mini-ITX motherboards from both Asus and Gigabyte which offer USB3.0 and SATA3.0 ports. The Sapphire HD6870 1GB gets another nod this month down to its lower cost and lower power consumption when compared to the GTX560. It also a dual slot cooler with no heatpipe extensions out of the top of the shroud meaning it should fit the SG05 relatively easily. It is also important that RAM with shorter heatsinks is chosen.

However,quietness and performance components in an SFF system are not an ideal long term partnership,so make sure you keep the system cool by ramping up the fans when it is under load.


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Peripherals

To go in hand with the PC builds suggested previously, this section deals with peripherals for the systems. This section is not an all out guide for every single peripheral in every class. It serves as more of a "helpful" start(hopefully) for getting your PC into a working state.

Note

Apart from the four retailers mentioned before I would definitely check pcbuyit as they are one of the cheapest places for monitors(link).


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Monitors

A decent monitor is essential for a gaming or media system. It is also often one of the longest serving components of any desktop PC.

Now for the techno-BLURB!

The monitors listed have panels of two types namely IPS and TN type. IPS panels have the advantage of darker blacks,more vibrant colours and much greater viewing angles than their TN counterparts. This means for image editing IPS panels tend to be better when calibrated.

OTH,TN panels tend to be better for fast moving action and usually show less motion blur. However,more IPS expensive screens have RTC technology which helps boost responsiveness. Does this mean that monitors with non-RTC IPS panels are terrible for gaming - NO! It only means the RTC enabled IPS panels and TN panels are better for gaming!

Now,lets look at some monitors(groan)!

Bigger Budget monitors - £200 to £300

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*These lack RTC AFAIK,so might not be as good as more expensive monitors for gaming.
(1)Check manufacturer's website for confirmation.


In our bigger budget monitor range the recommendations this month go for the Dell U2412M and the BenQ XL2410T. For gaming the BenQ just edges the Dell due to its 120HZ refresh rate and support for 3D games.

If you want monitors which perform well in games and are decent for image editing the Dell U2412M and Asus PA238Q seem the best bet. However,all of the listed monitors will perform well in a range of tasks. None of them are bad,so to say.


Budget monitors - £100 to £200

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*These lack RTC AFAIK,so might not be as good as more expensive monitors for gaming.
(1)Check manufacturer's website for confirmation.

One of last months recommendations the Samsung SM2233RZ is EOL. The LG W2363D-PF IS my recommendations for gaming use due to its 120HZ refresh rate and 3D gaming support. For monitors more comfortable with image editing and gaming,the Dell U2212HM and Asus ML239H are better compromises. The LG monitors listed lacked RTC so are not the best for gaming but have good image quality for image editing and general usage. The BenQ G2222HDL despite being the cheapest monitor is a good compromise between gaming and general usage if image editing is not a concern.


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Gaming Mice

An accurate mouse is important for playing FPS games. An important factor is comfort so there are no recommendations for which one is the "best" of all. Technically they all are great mice but I would look at the shape carefully before committing to one.

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Gaming Keyboards

Gaming keyboards are useful for the extra functionality that they can give hardcore gamers. The keyboards listed differ from normal keyboards in the amount of gamer specific optimisation they offer. Mechnical keyboards offer better key response and longevity over normal keyboards but at the expense of noise and higher initial purchase price. All the keyboards listed here are technically meant to be great.

However,in most cases a standard keyboard will suffice and typing comfort is the most important factor to consider. So again like with the mice,you should see which one suits you the best.

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Speakers

A decent set of speakers for your gaming setup will help bring your games alive. The models listed here are not the cheapest but are among the best in their respective classes. Another alternative is to connect your computer to your existing hifi setup.

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The 5 channel systems will be great for reproducing the surround sound effects in many modern games. The two channel systems OTH will be easier to accommodate.

Other Bits!

Fans? What Fans??

As you have noticed I have not talked about what fans to use in many of the builds. Many of the cases do come with pre-installed fans already but there might be cases(groan) where you just need more cooling! The main issue is there is a lack of standardised testing for fans so it is really hard to recommend decent ones.

Here is an informative post on fans and fan contollers by Pob255:

http://forums.hexus.net/2121100-post47.html

This mini-review of the NZXT Sentry 2(one of the cheapest touchscreen fan controllers) by ExHail is worth a read:

http://forums.hexus.net/2121139-post67.html

Thermal gunge?? Surely you need to buy some??

Coolers usually come with decent thermal compound pre-applied. However,there might be times where you might need to re-seat the cooler. Any standard TIM cleaner should do the job or 100% alcohol wipes;ones which have water in the them are not a great idea!!:p

If you want an up to date look at some modern thermal compounds this extensive review is worth reading:

2011 Thermal Compound Roundup


Finally.....!

Remember, when you are assembling your new bundle of joy - don't panic!!

More importantly keep the Cat away and any random Moose who may wander into the room.

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If you are not sure about something,it is always worth asking on the forum;don't feel like a right booby afterwards!! :p

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See you next month in November's guide!!

Another excellent thread Cat, thank you. Stickified.

Great stuff, be interesting to see what gets added for your other posts :D

That took a bit longer than expected!!:D

The links in the first post are clickable and I have added a small section about thermal compounds.

Ah I see, I was early. Excellent guide as usual :)

Thanks for the guide. Very helpful for first time builder.

Thanks, was just trying to decide what psu to go with out of the Silverstone Tech. Strider SST-ST40F-ES and the Antec EarthWatts Green for my cheap llano A4 build HTPC.

Great guide.

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Thanks, was just trying to decide what psu to go with out of the Silverstone Tech. Strider SST-ST40F-ES and the Antec EarthWatts Green for my cheap llano A4 build HTPC.

Great guide.

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The Antec IMHO.

Do those sound cards reduce load on CPU compared to motherboard sound chips?

Would it be possible (I know it's a lot to ask) to reccomend a specific graphics card? For example, I know I want a 6950 but that's kinda equal to knowing you want a Ford. Pretty please? :)

P.S. The Gigabyte GV-R695OC-1GD is Tom's Hardware's 6590 of choice ;P

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Do those sound cards reduce load on CPU compared to motherboard sound chips?

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I was under the impression they did, but perhaps I should check first.

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Would it be possible (I know it's a lot to ask) to reccomend a specific graphics card? For example, I know I want a 6950 but that's kinda equal to knowing you want a Ford. Pretty please? :)

P.S. The Gigabyte GV-R695OC-1GD is Tom's Hardware's 6590 of choice ;P

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The problem is that people have different requirements. On top of this the price changes and models can become EOL too.

Oh, I see. Thanks anyway!

Also, I'd reccomend the Microsoft X4 for your keyboards :)

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Oh, I see. Thanks anyway!

Also, I'd reccomend the Microsoft X4 for your keyboards :)

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I should add that in as they are £25.

I notice that the MSI P67A-GD53 has no USB 3.0 header - I'm not really after a Z68, so the alternatives don't help me. Are there any other P67 motherboards that you would reccomend, including the aforementioned header?

Thanks.

MSI P67A-GD65
Asus p8p67
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3

I'd recommend either Gigabyte if you like UK based stuff (they have a UK centre/forum) or the Asus if you need a graphical BIOS.

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MSI P67A-GD65
Asus p8p67
Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3P-B3

I'd recommend either Gigabyte if you like UK based stuff (they have a UK centre/forum) or the Asus if you need a graphical BIOS.

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Is there much difference between the P8P67 and the P8P67 Pro?

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Is there much difference between the P8P67 and the P8P67 Pro?

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Graphics slots:

The vanilla is x16/x4 in crossfire
Pro is x8/x8 in crossfire (or x16 for single use) and certified for SLI.

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Graphics slots:

The vanilla is x16/x4 in crossfire
Pro is x8/x8 in crossfire (or x16 for single use) and certified for SLI.

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I assume that it won't affect me at all using just a single card?

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That's right :)

Aha! Brilliant. I'm the kind of person who'd pay extra because it has better numbers, regardless of whether I need it. But I'm trying to be conservative in this build! :P

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Aha! Brilliant. I'm the kind of person who'd pay extra because it has better numbers, regardless of whether I need it. But I'm trying to be conservative in this build! :P

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I know what you mean :) I used a p8p67 for the wife's build and it's a fab board. Just don't mix up your USB and firewire cables :p

Or you'll get a fire on your wires ;)

THis is a great Guide. Is this better than scan overclock bundles?

I am planning to build a PC with 3D monitor? any ideas? which monitor is good and what spec is good for 3d?

For 3D your machine has to process the same information twice so you need a gaming setup that can manage more than 80FPS in all games at medium to high settings before even thinking about 3D. Then, when you've spent more than £700 on your PC, you'll need to buy an expensive 120Hz monitor capable of displaying 2 images at the same time and put on glasses when you play that synchronise with the images being displayed to create the 3D effect.

It's very expensive and not worth it in my opinion. All the new nVidia and AMD cards support 3D but you need different monitors for the different brands because of the way they've chosen to implement the technology. So choosing a 3D setup now means choosing your preferred graphics designer for a few years to come :(

This is a good read on the current generation of the technology: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...opic,3050.html

November looms....

Going to do one of these Every month the cat ? :heckle:

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November looms....

Going to do one of these Every month the cat ? :heckle:

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I wonder what made you think that??:p

Anyway,with massively increased hard drive prices the guide next month will have revised price points.

Stickified (thought I had done earlier - my bad)

I've been asked about/to build a gaming-computer for a friend's brother. The budget I've been given is £400-550 with monitor, KB/M and speakers already covered - maybe the OS.

Outside of HDD prices, is this guide still accurate and is there anything i should be aware of?

I was thinking of going the Core i3 2xxx & Radeon 6870 path - as i'm not sure the 560Ti is worth the extra £30 and for gaming, the i3 seems the better choice over Llano/Phenom's. I was also thinking he's open to the IVB upgrade later on as well.

My main concern is the case, motherboard, and maybe pursuing an SSD in lieu of a HDD for now.

Ideas guys, gals, CAT? :mrgreen:

I will get a guide up for January.The AMD build will either have a Phenom II X4 960T or a Llano K series. The motherboards probably will change for the cheaper Intel builds too.

Dear C5th,

On your advice I have recently purchased the U2412M, as an upgrade to my old LG. I'd like to take this opportunity to say.......YUMMERS ! OMG ! etc etc

Thanking you for your expertise. Good show !

Regards
Phage

I also just bought the Dell U2412M and it's brilliant. I found this review of the screen which is very detailed: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm

Well worth the £258 I paid for it. Now I just need a desk that can have my MDM05 desk mount installed on it and I'll be all set with my new setup :)

OK,sorry chaps - it didn't pan out as I thought originally!!:(

However,I am working on one for the summer ATM. Should be up soon.

Monthly is probably overkill and a lot of work for you, how about quarterly?

Given releases usually state \'will be released Q1 2013\' it seems like that might be a more sensible way to do things?

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Monthly is probably overkill and a lot of work for you, how about quarterly?

Given releases usually state 'will be released Q1 2013' it seems like that might be a more sensible way to do things?

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Good idea. Every three months,would probably be a decent time interval.

I had hoped the GTX660 would have been out by now,but at this rate the summer would be over!!:p

Managed to come with some specifications for the Biggger Budget Build. Had to increase the budget a bit to around £800.

Basic Build.

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Upgrades.

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@ CAT

I got my i5 3570K for £156(OEM version), cheaper than the i5 2500K from Scan. Thought I would mention it considering you are specifying a separate cooler.

Also surprised you don't favour Corsair for their PSU(over the XFX) given their warranty and customer service reputation.

You're missing the £15 Windows 8 promotion from the upgrades part. :p

I thought of the OEM parts,but they tend to have only a 1 year warranty and availability is more limited. I will mention the OEM parts when I get to writing the guide.

The prices are from Scan,Dabs,Ebuyer,Amazon,CCL Computers and Novatech. The reason I have multiple parts is to make sure that any one part is available,and a range of prices to take price fluctuations into account.

Regarding the PSUs,they all have at least 2 PCI-E 6 pin and 2 PCI-E 6+2 pin power connectors for Crossfire and SLI. The TX650 V2 only has two PCI-E power connectors.

The XFX is a Seasonic based design and gets good reviews. Warranty is 5 years and RMA is UK based AFAIK. It is also one of the cheapest decent PSUs with 4 PCI-E power connectors. The OCZ ZT 650W modular is also quite good and is around the same price,but AFAIK the XFX is probably better. The modular Corsair and NZXT are around £80,so cost around more than the other two PSUs.

Anyway,you can mix and match parts between the two rows. At least they should hopefully be all compatible with each other!!:p

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You're missing the £15 Windows 8 promotion from the upgrades part. :p

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That might drive some people to consoles!! I don't want that!!:p

OTH,in a few months we have no choice!! :(

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H is currently £80 on Ebuyer:

http://www.ebuyer.com/351598-gigabyt...ard-ga-z77-d3h

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Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H is currently £80 on Ebuyer:

http://www.ebuyer.com/351598-gigabyt...ard-ga-z77-d3h

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That is the Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H which lacks Crossfire and SLI support!!

However,that looks like a good motherboard for the lower cost gaming build!! Thanks!!

The £15 windows upgrade won't apply to home builders afaik.

priced the components up last night for a new build, just using a few websites and the calc on windows, missed out the RAM as i picked up the Corsair Vengeance 8GB pack i pm'ed you about Cat, came in about £900 with an Nvidia 670. TBH im probably going overboard on the graphics card, and doesnt include a monitor either.

Its mainly cases right now, this will be in my bedroom so really dont want anything too glowy and showy, and definitely want quiet, any thoughts on the best of the bunch from your list?

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priced the components up last night for a new build, just using a few websites and the calc on windows, missed out the RAM as i picked up the Corsair Vengeance 8GB pack i pm'ed you about Cat, came in about £900 with an Nvidia 670. TBH im probably going overboard on the graphics card, and doesnt include a monitor either.

Its mainly cases right now, this will be in my bedroom so really dont want anything too glowy and showy, and definitely want quiet, any thoughts on the best of the bunch from your list?

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From what I am hearing of the GTX660 it should be be a reasonable percentage of the GTX670 performance at a lower price.

If you want a decent case with understated looks,the Fractal R3 is quite a good choice. I used one in a build a while back:

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware/...ml#post2214293

It is not very cheap:

http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=fractal+r3

However,it does have sound proofing.

The Zalman Z9 is also not OTT IMHO:

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/zalma...e-case-w-o-psu

You are looking at a maximum graphics card length of 11.4" for both cases though.

hmm, what kind of length are we talking for 670/660?

was looking at this http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-g...58mhz-cores-13
cant see sizes written anyplace

I think the GTX680 is around 10" long.

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Its mainly cases right now, this will be in my bedroom so really dont want anything too glowy and showy, and definitely want quiet, any thoughts on the best of the bunch from your list?

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I bought the Corsair 550D last month and love it. I recommend it.

The 550D has good sound reduction installed, low noise fans fitted by default with the option to add lots more to improve airflow(I recommend getting 2x 140mm fans for the top); the only fan positions not able to accommodate 140mm fans is the 2 at the front of the case, I wouldn't change them anyway. The case has great cable routing and easy to remove side panels. The front door can be opened which ever way you prefer or even just left off completely. PSU mount area is fitted with foam to absorb vibrations. The top hard drive cage can be removed for better airflow and support for graphics cards longer than 30cm.

The case is great to work with, silent in operation (thanks to my fan controller to turn off my noisy fans when not needed) and has a nice simple look. Well worth £110 in my opinion.

certainly looks and sounds the part Noxvayl, but £110 (£118 on Scan) is a big chunk of the budget, was hoping to spend around 70 to 80 max.

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certainly looks and sounds the part Noxvayl, but £110 (£118 on Scan) is a big chunk of the budget, was hoping to spend around 70 to 80 max.

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I could barely hear the AMD 125W TDP stock cooler when it was in the Fractal R3 and it is not quiet.

The Gigabyte card is 10.75" long:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...oc-review.html

creating a new thread as i dont want to hijack this one with my own build, think this one is more for general discussion of current bits and pieces rather than exact builds

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certainly looks and sounds the part Noxvayl, but £110 (£118 on Scan) is a big chunk of the budget, was hoping to spend around 70 to 80 max.

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Damn, price has gone up since I bought it :(

If it is out of your price range then the other case I would recommend is this: Coolermaster Silencio RC-550

My previous case was a Coolermaster CM690 and my experience with it gives me enough confidence to recommend their cases. I think the Fractal Design CAT recommends the the Coolermaster I have linked to are probably the best choices in your price range. You could also browse this list of silent cases> http://www.silentpcreview.com/section9.html I used that site when looking for my case.

Cat I'd like to put forward the huntkey jumper 80+ gold psu forward for the basic general purpose & HTPC http://www.ebuyer.com/267860-huntkey...ed-jumper-300g
you're not going to be powering any major graphics cards off it, but for a low end card/onboard graphics and non-overclocked system it'll be plenty.
gold rated efficiency and a £37 price tag makes this a good buy IMO, a quid cheaper than the corsair cx430w

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Cat I'd like to put forward the huntkey jumper 80+ gold psu forward for the basic general purpose & HTPC http://www.ebuyer.com/267860-huntkey...ed-jumper-300g
you're not going to be powering any major graphics cards off it, but for a low end card/onboard graphics and non-overclocked system it'll be plenty.
gold rated efficiency and a £37 price tag makes this a good buy IMO, a quid cheaper than the corsair cx430w

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I heard it is a bit noisey but for the more basic build 300W is probably fine. I suspect cards like an HD7750 would be OK too.

Silly question i suppose, but I take it that the coolers mentioned in that guide work with the ivy bridge chip bud? Cant see there being any difference as its the board and top plate of the chip it sits on, but best check.

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Silly question i suppose, but I take it that the coolers mentioned in that guide work with the ivy bridge chip bud? Cant see there being any difference as its the board and top plate of the chip it sits on, but best check.

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Yep!! There are better ones for around £40,but I am trying to keep the builds to budget.

well, i hit £907 without a monitor or cooler bud, but then i splashed on the 670.

im a sucker :)