Broken another Nforce SFF :(

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10-06-2004, 10:27 PM
Zak33

Broken another Nforce SFF :(

why is it always me?

feeel really down again.....said I'd build Sair's parents a PC, got an A Open XC Cube EZ 18 (UK79G-1394 )model, put it together, booted with everything in place...

motherboard speaker was wailing and yelling, no screen.

Reset CMOS....booted....into BIOS, PC speaker still going mad, but went through every option until got too HDD, chose Auto and it went quiet :)

Pleased with myself I set time, and date, and rebooted...good as gold.

And then on third reboot I saw that there were two options....

Del for BIOS andInsert for something else...dunno WHAT it was but it was a Media Centre or similar...so I hit Insert.

and now I have no PC :(

For the record....the fan spins up and then slows...as though in standby mode and the fan spins up again and then down again....

but no screen.

Have reset CMOS in the follwing ways:

Power plug out, move CMOS jumper from 1-2 to 2-3, waited 3 minutes moved back to 1-2

Power plug out, move CMOS jumper from 1-2 to 2-3, taken cmos battery out, put battery back in, waited 3 minutes, moved back to 1-2

Power plug out, jumper from 1-2 to 2-3 , left for HALF HOUR, moved back to 1-2

Why does it happen to a new build> Why?

Anyideas guys....A Opens web site is.....not much use :(

cheers for reading
10-06-2004, 10:31 PM
Zak33

it must be alive...the fan spins upand down to keep it cool...its as though its in SLEEP mopde or similar..

keyboard does nowt, no screen
10-06-2004, 10:34 PM
Agent

Buggered BIOS again ? ;)

You know my address by now, if it needs re-flashing, just send it :)

Curious about this "media centre" - maybe its gone into a different mode of some kind. Is there any seperate buttons on the front to switch from a media centre to a PC ? (or anything along those lines).
10-06-2004, 10:35 PM
Agent

Try holding insert when switching it on ?
Shouldnt make any difference if you've cleared it though. Long shots here...
10-06-2004, 10:36 PM
megah0

is there an option in the handbook for clearing the CMOS whilst booting? I know some manufacturers will reset the cmos if insert or similar is held down.

Only other thing i can suggest it UNPLUG the machine, REMOVE the battery and LEAVE it overnight and try again in the morning.

Reboot with the bare minimum, so CPU, GFX and RAM, leave EVERYTHING else unplugged.

Good luck chap
10-06-2004, 10:37 PM
Zak33

kk....will try Insert

Its a Media centre thing....cant remeber its name.....think it runs the CD with no OS
10-06-2004, 10:38 PM
megah0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent

Buggered BIOS again ? ;)

You know my address by now, if it needs re-flashing, just send it :)

Curious about this "media centre" - maybe its gone into a different mode of some kind. Is there any seperate buttons on the front to switch from a media centre to a PC ? (or anything along those lines).

I once had an SFF the Epox mini me 300s that had an inbuilt media centre thingy for playing of music, is this thing you have similar?
10-06-2004, 10:39 PM
megah0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zak33

kk....will try Insert

Its a Media centre thing....cant remeber its name.....think it runs the CD with no OS

Tried booting with an audio CD in your optical drive? long shot i know but....
10-06-2004, 10:40 PM
Zak33

Insert did nowt.....tried Del too....
10-06-2004, 10:42 PM
megah0

You could try booting with the bare minimum, if the earlier shenanigans were caused by the HDD, try booting without it.
10-06-2004, 10:44 PM
Zak33

nope....cd did nowt....one interesting thing...my BLOO LED around the powerr button isn't on anymore....it was when I was first in BIOS...

this is in some kinda mode.....buggerin thing :(
11-06-2004, 07:38 AM
Zak33

well......took it all out....no cd, no hdd, no floppy...

left the jumper on reset all night...moved it back this am, power lead back in, hit power...

same:(

Once again Zak falls at the first with an nForce mobo cos of BIOS.

Agent.....looks like Im gonna have to take you up on your very kind offer AGAIN:(

Why does it happen.....why? What the point of a BIOS offering a button hit if it kills the PC?
11-06-2004, 07:47 AM
DR

Please Sir follow these instructions
1. Step away from the PC
2. Find Packaging
3. Package System
4. Label with address
5. A nice man will come and collect it from your abode
6. Go to a book shop
7. Buy 'PCs for Dummies'
8. Prompty goto PCWorld and buy a 'Advent' PC.
9. All problems Resolved.
10. If problems continue please call the 0908 support line.

Your account will be deactivated in 10 seconds.

:P :P :P
11-06-2004, 09:07 AM
Flash

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Please Sir follow these instructions
1. Step away from the PC
2. Find Packaging
3. Package System
4. Label with address
5. A nice man will come and collect it from your abode
6. Go to a book shop
7. Buy 'PCs for Dummies'
8. Prompty goto PCWorld and buy a 'Advent' PC.
9. All problems Resolved.
10. If problems continue please call the 0908 support line.

Your account will be deactivated in 10 seconds.

:P :P :P

harsh man :devilish:
11-06-2004, 10:45 AM
Zak33

ITS TRUE....how the HELL I toasted my second BIOS I just dont know :(

Gutted.....am gonna have to beg Agent to dig me outta the cack :(

The last SFF Nforce must have been down to me....but THIS one....it was all fine, Memory set to SPD, chip not overclocked, everything showing fine in BIOS...happy bunny after only 10 minutes...

then reboot, hit Insert (like it says on the BIOS screen)

and dead :(

*blush*

Agent

*blush*

can I ask you to dig me outta the cack please :(
11-06-2004, 11:04 AM
Agent

Yeah, send it my way. I assume you still have my address ? ;) :D
11-06-2004, 11:27 AM
BlackSheep

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zak33

ITS TRUE....how the HELL I toasted my second BIOS I just dont know :(

Gutted.....am gonna have to beg Agent to dig me outta the cack :(

The last SFF Nforce must have been down to me....but THIS one....it was all fine, Memory set to SPD, chip not overclocked, everything showing fine in BIOS...happy bunny after only 10 minutes...

then reboot, hit Insert (like it says on the BIOS screen)

and dead :(

*blush*

Agent

*blush*

can I ask you to dig me outta the cack please :(

Don't feel so bad Zak I managed to kill two this year - f00k knows how ... with quite similar symptoms to yours, both NF7-S's - I reckon they must be very very fragile !!!
11-06-2004, 01:04 PM
Zak33

you did?

that makes me feel better....a bit.

My Asus A7N8X lost BIOS BUT allowed me to reboot with a floopy with BIOS on it....dunno HOW it saved itself from dying totally but it did.

Not like this one tho :(
11-06-2004, 01:21 PM
Zak33

thnks to Skii who just rang to make sure I wasn't gonna lob myself off a bridge ;)
11-06-2004, 05:08 PM
Zak33

now look at my AVATAR ;)

Word gets around, huh?
11-06-2004, 06:02 PM
Knoxville

I've killed an nforce 2 bios in the past dude, it's so easy to do without even knowing what you've done. Had to rma the whole thing in the end as nothing would work :(

Learned my lesson though now, i don't play with bios's half as much.

On a side note though have you checked the companies website for a bios update? if you could put one on a floppy it may just work, long shot i know but worth a try.
11-06-2004, 06:11 PM
Zak33

I thought about that.....it doesnt get as far as finding a floppy I dont think...

Hopefull y Agent will sort it.

He's a specialist at digging me out of the carp.....He's gonna hot swap and hot flash...

IE....boot up HIS mobo with HIS BIOS chip in...then once its in DOS on floppy, take his chip out of his motherboard LIVE, and put mine in...and FLASH it....

then boot off....take out the chip...put his own back...and pray he aint fried his own mobo.

He's a star....AND I OWE HIM
11-06-2004, 07:34 PM
Agent

Id estimate ive flashed ~50 BIOS's in this board, so i dont think one more will kill it :)
11-06-2004, 07:42 PM
megah0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent

Id estimate ive flashed ~50 BIOS's in this board, so i dont think one more will kill it :)

/me writes an obituary for Agent's mobo as with a statement like that ^ its doomed.
11-06-2004, 07:49 PM
Agent

so true ;(
11-06-2004, 10:31 PM
Zak33

if it IS doomed....I shall buy you a new one....

deffo...you earned it....if you save this one, you've saved me 2 SFF pc's.

Awesome :)
12-06-2004, 02:10 AM
Proplus

Have you tried it with different ram?
13-06-2004, 10:11 AM
r1zeek

Sounds almost like my prob. Got one of those Shuttle RefleXions, built it, booted up and nothing worked from the start. Would just sit there with the fan spinning. Tried almost everything, including with no CPU in and it still does the same. I can't figure out why so i'm gonna RMA it on monday methinks unless any of your can suggest a fix?
I know what your going through Zak, just been through exactly the same this weekend :mad:
13-06-2004, 05:56 PM
SilentDeath

I killed an nf7-s last year :(
One thing that might work, does the mobo have intergrated gfx, and possibly tv out?
13-06-2004, 06:53 PM
malfunction

I killed an Asus A7N8X deluxe BIOS last year... Fixed it by flashing it on my Asus A7N266-VM (mATX nForce 1 mobo)... Put the original bios back in to the A7N266-VM the wrong way around... Had another Asus board lying around (TUSL2-C) and tried the BIOS on that - flashed OK but wouldn't work in the A7N266-VM so that left me with two dead boards... The A7N266-VM was in my firewall so no net access (without messing around)... Next day I killed the A7N8X deluxe BIOS AGAIN - both times 'my fault' - the board was new and I was trying to overclock the b'jesus out of it - so ended up ordering a new A7N8X deluxe and a new A7N266-VM... Fixed the 'old' A7N8X deluxe via hot flashing AGAIN... Sold it and kept the other one which has never given me any problem (but then again Asus released a new BIOS release about that time so that may have fixed the problem)...
13-06-2004, 10:48 PM
Kezzer

I've had problems with my SFF. It just wouldn't boot. The trick is, give it a bump. Sounds odd yes but with the SN41G2's if you give it a t*** it works again. I've known a few people to have this problem. It might not be the BIOS for all you know. Have yo tried re-seating the CPU?
14-06-2004, 03:09 PM
Zak33

tried the heatsink and checked it was ok....but to be fair, I had already had it running in BIOS for nearly 20 minutes and temps were fine...

Agent will have it by now I hope.....so fingers crossed.

I'm glad AND sad that you've all had similar problems.

Agent informs me that most newer BIOS's are better versions....and to be fair....my Asus A7N8X died in the first week I had it, BUT would flash from floppy....

and its been the best mobo I;ve had since..that was over a year ago too...

thnks for the support guys...means a lot :)