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SATA 3 Controller for Samsung SSD 830?
I want to buy Samsung SSD 830 but my motherboard (AMD CPU) support max SATA 2.
So I need a SATA 3 Controller, which one do you recommend? but not too expensive...
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You don't *need* a SATA3 controller for the drive to work, it'll just be capped at SATA2 speeds. Remember: IOPS for general desktop speed over read and write speeds.
Given that they are 300MB/s, are you going to be hitting this often enough to warrant a card? It only really comes into play when dealing with large files, and even then (assuming a 256gig 830) going to be capped at the write speed of the SSD if copying the file to itself which barely breaks SATA2 speeds.
If you're copying large files to another, non-SSD based drive, then you're massively limited by the write speed of that drive which again means no advantage to read speed.
If you take a standard desktop setup and look at the files encountered they will be mostly 4K, then a range from 16K to 64K. When you start to work with these 'real world' files, your speeds plummet on any SSD, the 830 included: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4863/t...d-830-review/4
If you check that page, you'll see the drive doesn't even hit 200MB/s on the read, and less than 100MB for the write - which again means no advantage in buying a SATA3 card for you.
Do you work with large files that need reading sequentially often?
Ask yourself this really: When is the exact time you'd need SATA3 over SATA2. If you can't answer without hesitation, it's very unlikely you'll need to upgrade to a SATA3 card :)
For desktop use (forget benchmarking - they are vajazzle for geeks), then SATA3 really offers little to no improvement.
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I have a M3A78-T motherboard http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A78T/
So basically Samsung SSD 830 should work fine on SATA2 motherboard?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by
Agent
You don't *need* a SATA3 controller for the drive to work, it'll just be capped at SATA2 speeds. Remember: IOPS for general desktop speed over read and write speeds.
Given that they are 300MB/s, are you going to be hitting this often enough to warrant a card? It only really comes into play when dealing with large files, and even then (assuming a 256gig 830) going to be capped at the write speed of the SSD if copying the file to itself which barely breaks SATA2 speeds.
If you're copying large files to another, non-SSD based drive, then you're massively limited by the write speed of that drive which again means no advantage to read speed.
If you take a standard desktop setup and look at the files encountered they will be mostly 4K, then a range from 16K to 64K. When you start to work with these 'real world' files, your speeds plummet on any SSD, the 830 included:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4863/t...d-830-review/4
If you check that page, you'll see the drive doesn't even hit 200MB/s on the read, and less than 100MB for the write - which again means no advantage in buying a SATA3 card for you.
Do you work with large files that need reading sequentially often?
Ask yourself this really: When is the exact time you'd need SATA3 over SATA2. If you can't answer without hesitation, it's very unlikely you'll need to upgrade to a SATA3 card :)
For desktop use (forget benchmarking - they are vajazzle for geeks), then SATA3 really offers little to no improvement.
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Ice_Black
Yes that will be fine, In the real world you wont notice the limitation that the sata2 is imposing on you.
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a sata3 add on card wont be much faster so stay as you are.
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AND
99% of SATA 3 addon cards use the aweful Marvell 9128 sata 3 chip - which is internally limited to pcie 1x... which means it maxes out at around 380 mb/s anyway , not alot over the sata 2 speed
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Answered a question I was asking myself too as was thinking about getting an SSD.
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I've bought Samsung SSD yesterday and reinstalled Windows, is this how it should be? see blow.
Connected to SATA2 (Asus motherboard - AMD CPU)
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Originally Posted by
Ice_Black
I've bought Samsung SSD yesterday and reinstalled Windows, is this how it should be? see blow.
Connected to SATA2 (Asus motherboard - AMD CPU)
It looks about right, It is better to use AS-SSD with SSD's as it is more specific to them. It will also tell you if your alignment is correct.
You can also check alignment by typing msinfo32 in the search box and following components>Storage>disks and dividing the Partition starting offset by 4096 if the alignment is correct it will be a full number.
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Originally Posted by
Sputnik
It looks about right, It is better to use AS-SSD with SSD's as it is more specific to them. It will also tell you if your alignment is correct.
You can also check alignment by typing msinfo32 in the search box and following components>Storage>disks and dividing the Partition starting offset by 4096 if the alignment is correct it will be a full number.
How does that look:
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http://s14.postimage.org/h0m5u8mof/Untitled.jpg
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Ice_Black
How does that look:
That looks ok to me. Alignment is correct.
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Originally Posted by
Sputnik
That looks ok to me. Alignment is correct.
When it coping large files - it is very fast.
When there are a lot of small files in the dir - I feel the copy transfer is very slow.
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http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j.../ASSSDR201.jpg
My 240GB Sandisk Extreme, using an SATA2 AMD 790FX motherboard.
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Dell D620 Laptop - i am happy even if to you this seems slow to me it isn't - well worth the 50 quid.
http://img.andrewleefoster.net/forum...2 17-32-25.png
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Apex
I notice your using IDE does the laptop not support ahci ?
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Dell D620 = no option for it in the bios even if the chipset supports it which is why i went for this SSD; the garbage collection works on it's own etc :)
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Apex
Dell D620 = no option for it in the bios even if the chipset supports it which is why i went for this SSD; the garbage collection works on it's own etc :)
I thought it may be the case. I'd buy a kingston if I wanted it for a laptop. At that price be crazy not to.
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Originally Posted by
Ice_Black
When it coping large files - it is very fast.
When there are a lot of small files in the dir - I feel the copy transfer is very slow.
The 4k-64thrd write does seems a bit low.
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Originally Posted by
Sputnik
The 4k-64thrd write does seems a bit low.
Is there a way to speed it up?
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Originally Posted by
Ice_Black
Is there a way to speed it up?
It may be just normal for this drive.
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Am tempted to get the 256gb version for my main rig - 100 quid is hard to avoid....
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Originally Posted by
Sputnik
It may be just normal for this drive.
Could look into the driver that used but other then that like Sputnik says "might be normal"
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It may be the controller your using on your motherboard or like Apex said, The driver choice.
I found this..
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...s/sammy830.png
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Sputnik
Is there a diver for Samsung? I can't find one Samsung website.. I don't think its exist.
In Device Manager, it say its using Microsoft driver...
SSD is connected to onboard SATA2... but yea my motherboard is quite old and outdated now.. that might be a reason.
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Ice_Black
Is there a diver for Samsung? I can't find one Samsung website.. I don't think its exist.
There will not be one for the drive itself. The driver we are talking about are AHCI drivers.
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SSD is connected to onboard SATA2... but yea my motherboard is quite old and outdated now.. that might be a reason.
What motherboard are you using and which Sata port number are you using, Knowing this may lead to a solution as some boards have been known to have ports which don't perform as well as others. For example some boards that had 2 Sata control chips and one was inferior.
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Originally Posted by
Sputnik
There will not be one for the drive itself. The driver we are talking about are AHCI drivers.
What motherboard are you using and which Sata port number are you using, Knowing this may lead to a solution as some boards have been known to have ports which don't perform as well as others. For example some boards that had 2 Sata control chips and one was inferior.
I have a M3A78-T motherboard, see http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A78T/
I think it connected to SATA2 Port 3
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you could try installing the AMD AHCI driver and see if that makes any difference.
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I am getting blue screen during windows start-up after installing AMD chipset drivers :( I didnt had problem with Microsoft default AHCI driver.
I had to switch back to IDE from the BIOS and booted fine....
Any idea?
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fixed, had to change the registery.. see http://forums.amd.com/forum/messagev...&enterthread=y
gonna run a test now.
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so it wasnt running AHCI anyway?
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HalloweenJack
so it wasnt running AHCI anyway?
It was... but after installing AMD chipset drivers it messed it up. Got it fixed now.
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hows the new run of as-ssd?
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There is a bit of improvement there. I would not get too fixated on benchmarks.
Just use it.