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    Why has AMD launched ....

    ...a Socket 754 chip, with the Sempron badge on it (ie re-branded Thoroughbred) that runs only in 32bit, not 64bit in the way 754mobo's are sold and advertised?

    Can you imagine the likes of Jo Public spending extra dough on a Socket 754 and a 3100+ when in actual fact it will run at 1800mghz AND by 32 bit.

    I love AMD...I am a fan boy....but they are really trying to stress me out

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    The reason they have done this is so that users that dont want to upgrade to 64 Bit at the current moment can get a board now and use a CPU which is designed for 32 Bit use and easily upgrade to the 64 Bit platform once it is more widely available.

    I know it does go agaisnt the advertising for the 754 socket, however if they bring out more cpus on this socket and it becomes widely used as the AMD entry socket then users will benefit as they wont need to upgrade there board for a new cpu - unless they go to the 939 socket.

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    exactly....939.

    Wouldn't a 939 version be more sensible?

    Oh..hang on....I'm missing vital stuff. The fact is that an old core is cheaper to make, and will sell again if its in a new format. And yet IS IT cheaper to make? Cos its been re pinned and re socketed!

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    the 754 chip (3100+) isn't based on the t-bred. They are actually the a64 chips cut down to 256kB of cash and 32bit operation, and have cool 'n' quiet. They will perform significantly better than xp chips on the socket A platform, I'd guess...in fact I'm sure there's a review out that shows that they already do - my quibble would be the model numbering - the A64 2800+ runs at 1.8Ghz too, and has more cache! So wtf is going on there?

    Joe Public hasn't got a clue anyway, and it's the CPU that is marketed as 64-bit to him anyway, which I doubt he cares about or understands - mainboards and sockets never get mentioned - sempron buyers will be none the wiser, I expect, for the most part.

    As to why they are on socket 754 - they are budget chips, s754 is going to be the budget platform - although it does still leave the option of upgrading to something like a 3400+ and those extra 32 bits later on.

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    so an A64 2800 is gonna be quicker than a Sempron 3100+

    It gets worse doesn't it ?

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    There will be Semprons on s939 apparently and socket A will probably be phased out with s754 taking its place giving AMD an easier roadmap.

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    I believe 754 is to die too...just 939 left soon.

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    Sempron is the new Duron style budget line. Allows you to get a 64bit board and have a cheapo CPU in it, should you so wish. So 754 will be the budget platform, and 939 the posh platform, making everything a bit simpler, and getting rid of Socket A.

    Think anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33
    I believe 754 is to die too...just 939 left soon.
    754 has at least 18 months left. Socket A will die first.

    The 754 Semprons with the on chip memory controller should kill Celerons & if you don't need/want 64 bit why pay for it.

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    right....got it

    I think....

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    the semprons make bug sense for OEM and mass sale markets. For bussines it will make more sense as they mostly hae 32bit software and unlikey to 64 bit on everything down to the desktop for a while.

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