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    is there any point in getting a 64bit cpu?

    i herd that it makes no diffience yes becasue nothing uses it? can someone give me some information?

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    also whats the deals with these AMD Sempron's ? i have not seen these before?

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    Its not just a case of there being nothing using it, the CPU's are technically superior and include more than just 64Bit extensions.

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    ok thanks, so is it worth buying on if i'm gonna be buying a new cpu and mobo anyhow?

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    not at the moment, wait if you can
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    The reason to buy one at the moment is it's 32bit performance, 64bit is just an extra for the future
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    yeah, I agree with Mblaster. They're quite good quality and run just as well as Pentiums on current systems, with the added bonus that they'll be even faster when 64-bit software is finally a reality. (though that's probably so far away any current 64-bit processors will be obselete anyway!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    also whats the deals with these AMD Sempron's ? i have not seen these before?
    They're AMDs new budget line of processors, essentially taking over from the Duron
    Last edited by MAS; 08-09-2004 at 06:20 PM.

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    AMD Sempron's are not 64 Bit, they are The Athlon64 CPU's with the 64 Bit parts left out, and lower clock speeds and cache.
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    be aware, when talking about 64bit cpus, of 32bit cpus.

    the first 32bit cpu compatible with all old 16 bit apps was the 386. the 32 bit was unneccessary - i mean, who was gonna make a 32 bit app? nobody. however, it was damned fast in old 16 bit applications, and all was good. by the time an os was released that REQUIRED 32bit, and apps to make sure of 32bit, no bugger had 16 bit anymore, making the whole transition pretty painless. nobody really had 386es either, but that's sorta beside the point.

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    The only point is speed. An Athlon 64 is, from everything I've seen, the best CPU for gaming. Of course, at the moment, I'm always saying wait for the new stuff to come out. Although you could be waiting forever, I suggest waiting for PCI Express. Think about how long AGP was around for - PCI Express is a pretty big step up, and should hopefully be around for a few years.
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    I was going to wait for PCI-Express, but got bored waiting and wanted to play Doom 3 When i upgrade i usually just buy a whole new PC anyway, so it looks like I;m gonna be waiting until next time to go to PCI-E and DDR2.

    I agree with Directhex here, buying an Athlon64 CPU because it's can run 64 applications is a bad idea.
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mblaster
    AMD Sempron's are not 64 Bit, they are The Athlon64 CPU's with the 64 Bit parts left out, and lower clock speeds and cache.
    True of the sempron 3100+, but not the others - they are based on the thoroughbred XP chips.

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    So they use 754 but they're only 32 bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mblaster
    I was going to wait for PCI-Express, but got bored waiting and wanted to play Doom 3 When i upgrade i usually just buy a whole new PC anyway, so it looks like I;m gonna be waiting until next time to go to PCI-E and DDR2.

    I agree with Directhex here, buying an Athlon64 CPU because it's can run 64 applications is a bad idea.
    Waiting is only a good idea if you don't need performance. If you do then you can't afford to wait. Only the buyer can determine this.

    It will be a long time before decent boards (P4 or AMD) will exist that have proper PCI-Express implementations. Remember how long it took for decent PCI boards to be released? Only after ISA and VLB were complete done away with did we start to realize the true capability of PCI. The first PCI-E boards will still have PCI (and some even AGP) because few people would buy a motherboard that requires the trashing of every interface board in their present system. Any board with PCI-E in the near future will have work-around solutions as opposed to proper chipsets. Until AGP and PCI are gone completely we won't see any benefit to PCI-E.

    I disagree about buying A64 solely for 32-bit performance. While it is true that the A64 can not be matched by anything Intel has at this time when running 32-bit apps, that is just one reason to buy one. There are many other reasons buying an A64 makes sense. We all know AMD offers superior value as well as performance because that is the only way they can compete with Intel's marketing monster. I think AMD is smart not to try and go toe to toe with Intel in a marketing sense. They would surely lose. Make no mistake, 64-bit is here to stay. It's been around for close to a year and a half as far as AMD is concerned (Opterons began shipping a year ago last April) and it has been embraced by many. I just received my official copy of Windows XP 64-bit. I can't speak too much about it but I can tell you that 64-bit is not far off. Every CPU that is not in the AMD64 family (including the new Sempron) will NOT be running XP 64-bit. Do you really need to know anymore? I laugh because not one of these brand new Intel based boards will be running XP 64-bit, yet they are being sold as "new technology" simply because they include a PCI-E slot. Intel is working on chips that utilize the AMD64 instruction set. As soon as they have something ready M$ will be releasing a 64-bit version of XP, at which time you will be able to buy a P4EE system complete for about $300.00.

    btw: Sempron is S754 OR socket A. They make both.
    Last edited by StormPC; 08-09-2004 at 09:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormPC
    Every CPU that is not in the AMD64 family (including the new Sempron) will NOT be running XP 64-bit.
    Intel 64 bit is already here & it will run XP64 bit - but at a significant price http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...ookie%5Ftest=1
    Supposedly EMT64 support is already built into Intel's desktop chips now but currently it is disabled.

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