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    Smile AMD 64 V Pentium 4 Prescott

    Hello
    Can any one give me some serious advice.
    I am looking at doing a serious upgrade.
    I am looking to either get a AMD64 or the new p4 Prescott.
    What i have seen on the net theres not much difference in speed and performence.??
    Is it just a preference thing..?. I have always had a AMD of some sort.. But looking in to the P4's.
    Friend has got one and he say's they beat the pants off AMD64's..
    can some one help me make a decision..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cra1g
    P4:Friend has got one and he say's they beat the pants off AMD64's..can some one help me make a decision..
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    Nope, P4/AMD64 are pretty much of a muchness. Don't pay any attention to anyone who tells you otherwise (i.e. the 'fanboys' from either camp.)

    For basic computing and gaming, they will both do the job, really well. So...You have to take a closer look at exactly what it is that YOU want to do, only then will you end up getting the right system. In general terms, Prescott is stronger in certain apps. (especially those coded for it's additional instructions), and AMD is stronger in others (i.e. Intel good in Audio/Video encoding and certain graphics apps., AMD good in gaming.) When it's all said and done, unless your requirements are VERY specific, it's going to be a close call. You also need to think about the rest of the system, especially your graphics card (AGP or PCi-E?) and RAM (DDR or DDR2). Oh, and of course you target budget.

    I suggest you do a read-up of many of the similar threads on Hexus (and elsewhere) and then come back with some much firmer requirements. Don't just take someone elses (probably biased to THEIR needs) advice as gospel.

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    Myself, I plumped for AMD 64 because I use it mainly for gaming and I actually found it would be slightly cheaper to go 754 than LGA775

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    If your mainly gaming the AMD64 will give you a bit more power for the same price. But both are super fast. I just appreciate how AMD have basically done better engineering to get more out of the chips at lower clock speeds.

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    The P4 can compete with the lowend A64's but get their a$$ handed to them by the highend (3700+ and higher) 1MB cache A64's. The A64 also has the advantage of being able to run the new Win XP x64 Edition, which the current P4's will not.

    As usual, AMD offers the best bang for the buck because they have to. It's the only way they can compete with Intel.

    The title of this thread smacks of a flamefest. If you're really interested in which CPU best suits your needs you should read. There is more on the internet than videogames and porn.
    Last edited by StormPC; 21-09-2004 at 12:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormPC
    The P4 can compete with the lowend A64's but get their a$$ handed to them by the highend (3700+ and higher) 1MB cache A64's. The A64 also has the advantage of being able to run the new Win XP x64 Edition, which the current P4's will not.

    Myth looks down at his sig.. humm... 3.8Ghz.... Perhaps AMD lost this match!

    Both Procs are amazingly fast! Both have there weaknesses and streangths!
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    Quote Originally Posted by myth
    Myth looks down at his sig.. humm... 3.8Ghz.... Perhaps AMD lost this match!

    Both Procs are amazingly fast! Both have there weaknesses and streangths!
    You've got a very nice system Myth, but all 4 of my A64 systems are faster in 3D gaming and 3DMark2001 benching. In 3DMark03 your P4 would probably beat my 3700+ (not at 3800Mhz though), but not my FX-51 or either of my FX-53's.

    When you get your X800 XT you'll have to run some benchs.

    Here's something to shoot for (my score with stock cooled X800 XT and unmodded A8V motherboard):
    Stock X800 XT 3DMark2001 Score

    And here's a fully modded 3.4GHz P4 Extreme Edition w/ DDR Maximizer and running at over 4500MHz with a modded aircooled X800 Pro:
    Modded P4 EE

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormPC
    You've got a very nice system Myth, but all 4 of my A64 systems are faster in 3D gaming and 3DMark2001 benching. In 3DMark03 your P4 would probably beat my 3700+ (not at 3800Mhz though), but not my FX-51 or either of my FX-53's.

    When you get your X800 XT you'll have to run some benchs.

    Here's something to shoot for (my score with stock cooled X800 XT and unmodded A8V motherboard):
    Stock X800 XT 3DMark2001 Score

    And here's a fully modded 3.4GHz P4 Extreme Edition w/ DDR Maximizer and running at over 4500MHz with a modded aircooled X800 Pro:
    Modded P4 EE

    I plan to retire this rig to be a server for my media... The mem is at a 1:1 ratio! and holding!!! My next system will be a AMD as sooon as they get ddr 2 and 16x! I am saving up till then. I have the cash but I am undecided on wether to wait for the AIW or get the XT PE or even the BFG Ultra.... My cpu benches way beound the stock P4 3.6! But I reckon thats due to the gig FSB... I'll be shure to due a full benchmark on my baby soon! Also the new 3.8 P4 LG sockets are out benching the 3.4 GHz EEs! Also the FX-51 as well! Too bad they cost a arm and a leg!

    cra1g.... no matter what, you'll love what you get! The new lg has new features that AMD dosent, but soon they will! You could wait!

    EDIT: OMG! I'm not even going to try to beat thoes scores! How about a Media encoding benchmark instead?
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    Clever engineering is so much better than pure clock speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myth
    My next system will be a AMD as sooon as they get ddr 2 and 16x!
    You might have to wait a while for the DDR2 support.
    There is no advantage for AMD - it is no quicker than current DDR whilst being dearer & the fact that people can upgrade to AMD64 without having to change RAM is imho an advantage for AMD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUFF
    You might have to wait a while for the DDR2 support.
    There is no advantage for AMD - it is no quicker than current DDR whilst being dearer & the fact that people can upgrade to AMD64 without having to change RAM is imho an advantage for AMD.
    I plan to buy the mobo and proc in around 3 - 4 months.. So they better get moving!

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    Quote Originally Posted by myth
    I plan to buy the mobo and proc in around 3 - 4 months.. So they better get moving!
    Well I doubt that you will see it by then (the PCI-E you should get) - there has even been a suggestion that AMD will skip DDR2 entirely & go with DDR3 (which will have performance advantages).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BUFF
    Well I doubt that you will see it by then (the PCI-E you should get) - there has even been a suggestion that AMD will skip DDR2 entirely & go with DDR3 (which will have performance advantages).
    Interesting i have not heard about this. Although i can see like you say performance advantages i can see a big disadvantage for the credit card as surely if two newish technologies are running along side each other it’s going to cost the end user more!

    Any ideas on when DDR3 Ram is coming out?

    With regards to the original question I am an AMD man as I have always felt the value for money is better than Intel’s. But it all depends on what you mainly use the chip for as to what’s the better chip for you.

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    ok, some stupid questions from a AMD 64 idiot! How does its FSB and memory bandwith compare with a P4? It can take full advantage of DDR 3200 right? Dual chanel... So it should benchmarh at least at 5000 MB/s ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myth
    How does its FSB and memory bandwith compare with a P4? It can take full advantage of DDR 3200 right? Dual chanel... So it should benchmarh at least at 5000 MB/s ?
    Socket 754 is Single Channel, 939 is Dual Channel (can't remember 940 but I imagine Dual but it needs reg. memory).
    Again though pure bandwidth isn't a useful comparison - a 754 with half the bandwidth of a 939 will only be about 5-10% adrift in performance. With the memory controller on AMD64 being on die & using HyperTransport connection to the memory bottlenecks are cut down.
    Here are some figures for a socket 939 board though.

    Interesting article about Dual Channel
    http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=480

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