Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: Double the processor speed for laptop

  1. #1
    Funking Prink! Raz316's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Deal, Kent, UK
    Posts
    2,978
    Thanks
    130
    Thanked
    62 times in 52 posts

    Double the processor speed for laptop

    Hi all,

    my boss wants to upgrade his laptop. He currently has a Acer Aspire 7741Z with an Intel P6000 1.86Ghz.

    Are we realistically able to buy a new laptop that doubles the processing power yet still remains around the £500 mark? It is mainly for the processing of complex Excel spreadsheets.

    I've been trying to compare CPUs online with CPUBoss ( http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentiu...Core-i7-3610QM ) but to be honest it doesn't mean too much to me these days!

    Any tips?

    Ta!

    P.S. If anyone can specifically recommend a laptop, we require at least a 17" screen and Windows 7 64bit (not Windows 8)

  2. #2
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    10,108
    Thanks
    502
    Thanked
    1,042 times in 886 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 16GB 3200MHz
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Linux, 1TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 30 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Samsung 2343BW 2048x1152
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb/20Mb VDSL

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    Difficult one to answer, probably depends on the spreadsheet.

    Looking at this benchmark:

    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/43

    I think the Acer would score around 60s based on clock speed and that elsewhere on the chart 3MB of L3 cache doesn't buy much improvement.

    A desktop i7-3770K scores 10s, so 6x faster. If you halve the speed to fit it in a laptop, that would still get 20s or 3x faster.

    i5 looks nearly 50% slower, so should drop you back to double your current speed.

    Disclaimers: Your spreadsheet may not behave the same, my guessing as to how badly they cripple the CPU when they stick it in a laptop is just an educated guess.

    Note that from that chart a cheap desktop CPU would do the job nicely, do you really really need a laptop??? They are horribly compromised if you want speed.

  3. Received thanks from:

    Raz316 (09-05-2013)

  4. #3
    Senior Member kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    29,195
    Thanks
    1,520
    Thanked
    2,933 times in 2,376 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte X58A UD3R rev 2
      • CPU:
      • Intel Xeon X5680
      • Memory:
      • 12gb DDR3 2000
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2311H
      • Internet:
      • O2 8mbps

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    It's a bit tricky to get an exact comparison. Sites like notebookcheck are better than that awful one (CPUboss)!
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-...st.2436.0.html

    Excel seems to be fairly multi-threaded, depending on how you are using it - I would *guess* that something like the 3dmark06CPU score might be a vaguely relevant benchmark.

    Using that, you're looking at a score of around 3000 or higher to get double the performance in purely CPU limited scenario, so the upper core i3 3000M series and the i5 2400/2500M upwards.

    A quick search brings something like this:
    http://www.dabs.com/products/toshiba...51220000&src=3

    Or cheaper
    http://www.ebuyer.com/476109-toshiba...FUzHtAodcn8ArQ

    4GB should be fine for excel, but depends on size of your data - check existing usage to be sure, but upgrading RAM is always cheap and easy to do yourself rather than paying more at a shop.
    Last edited by kalniel; 09-05-2013 at 10:45 AM.

  5. Received thanks from:

    Raz316 (09-05-2013)

  6. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    1,060
    Thanks
    6
    Thanked
    84 times in 78 posts

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    i think for £500 you should be able to get something much faster, even from pcworld, etc type places. it looks like the basic spec of the existing model only has 3gb ram and a 5400rpm HDD. if you updated the existing laptops RAM it should make some difference, max it out if you can, although it may only take 4gb max and you would need 64 bit windows to use all the RAM. again, replacing the HDD with a SSD would make it a bit perkier, £60ish would get you a 120gb or £120 a 240gb SSD so unless he wants to fork out cash, he will lose some internal HDD space, but if large storage internally isn't essential and he has 64 bit windows, then for about £80ish you could make the machine a bit faster, and of course disable start up programs and rubbish that eat up RAM

    if getting a new one again i'd suggest SSD, and more RAM as for spreadsheets it's often that those are the two most important parts rather than actual CPU speed

  7. Received thanks from:

    Raz316 (09-05-2013)

  8. #5
    Funking Prink! Raz316's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Deal, Kent, UK
    Posts
    2,978
    Thanks
    130
    Thanked
    62 times in 52 posts

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    Hi DWU Thanks for your reply.

    I had initially suggested that maybe some work could be done to improve the spreadsheet, but I don't know anything about it's inner workings really. Desktop is "not an option" even though I had explained that there would be much better options if we did.

    I've seen a few i5 laptops for around the £500 mark, so it's good to know I've got options.

    I appreciate your disclaimer too I've as good as said "double the speed" is very subjective, but it means little to nothing.

  9. #6
    Funking Prink! Raz316's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Deal, Kent, UK
    Posts
    2,978
    Thanks
    130
    Thanked
    62 times in 52 posts

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    Kal, Unique : Thanks Actually, to all who respond I appreciate that what I am asking is a very amateur vague question, but I've tried being the voice of reason directly and it's not good enough apparently...

    From what I can tell, the spreadsheet in question isn't using all of the RAM in the current laptop, so I don't think that's an issue. As far as I understand upgrading to an SSD will increase the speed in which things are loaded from the disk, but would have no impact on the actual processing of equations within the spreadsheet.

    Kal, I've suggested the laptop you linked to as a potential option.

  10. #7
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    10,108
    Thanks
    502
    Thanked
    1,042 times in 886 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 16GB 3200MHz
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Linux, 1TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 30 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Samsung 2343BW 2048x1152
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb/20Mb VDSL

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    No worries, I'm sure we have all had vague requirements from a boss at some point in our lives

    17" is a monster screen for a laptop, do they not have a 24" monitor & a keyboard to dock onto at the office?

    I think you are right that an SSD shouldn't help processing speed, unless you are out of ram and swapping in which case more ram would sort it anyway.

    The new Haswell CPUs are out in a month. For desktop use I expect it to be a bit "meh", but it should make for a better laptop.

  11. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    West Sussex
    Posts
    1,075
    Thanks
    73
    Thanked
    132 times in 124 posts
    • kompukare's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-V LX
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5-3570K
      • Memory:
      • 2 x 8GB Crucial Ballistix Elite PC3-14900
      • Storage:
      • Crucial MX200 | Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD | WDC 1TB Green | Samsung 1Tb Spinpoint
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290 VaporX 7950
      • PSU:
      • Antec 650 Gold TruePower (Seasonic) or Seasonic SII-330
      • Case:
      • Aerocool DS 200 (silenced, 53.6 litres)l)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10-64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell P2414H

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    +1 to Dances's suggestion about a monitor and keyboard. In fact, I'd go further and recommend a business-class laptop with a docking station.

    Ok, theoretically outside the £500 budget but something like a Thinkpad T420/T430 used but with 2 years remaining warranty (maybe from someone like Tier1?) with a dock. Or even a X220/X230 which is more portable - handy if the machine will live most of its time on the dock but occasionally used as a portable?

  12. Received thanks from:

    Raz316 (09-05-2013)

  13. #9
    Funking Prink! Raz316's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Deal, Kent, UK
    Posts
    2,978
    Thanks
    130
    Thanked
    62 times in 52 posts

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    Thanks again, Komp DWS, I had recommended a docking station (I've got my own at home which I use with a small Thinkpad, I love it ) but nopes, has to be a big screen on the laptop because he moves around a lot.

  14. #10
    Not a good person scaryjim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    15,044
    Thanks
    1,194
    Thanked
    2,246 times in 1,847 posts
    • scaryjim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Dell Inspiron
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 8250U
      • Memory:
      • 1x 8GB DDR4 2400
      • Storage:
      • 128GB M.2 SSD + 1TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon R5 230
      • PSU:
      • Battery/Dell brick
      • Case:
      • Dell Inspiron 5570
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10
      • Monitor(s):
      • 15" 1080p laptop panel

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    Quote Originally Posted by Raz316 View Post
    ... has to be a big screen on the laptop because he moves around a lot.
    "I need to carry my laptop everywhere with me, so I want the biggest heaviest laptop I can buy!"



    I'll never understand boss logic.

    I think for a 17" laptop with double the P6000's processing power he'll need to up the budget a little. £500 is pretty tight for a decent laptop.

  15. #11
    Senior Member Pob255's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The land of Brum
    Posts
    9,945
    Thanks
    572
    Thanked
    1,196 times in 1,099 posts
    • Pob255's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus M5A99X EVO
      • CPU:
      • PhenomII x4 955 & CM Hyper 212+
      • Memory:
      • 2x 4gb Corsair Vengence 1600mhz cas9
      • Storage:
      • 250gb SATA Westerndigital + 500gb samsung +1tb Samsung
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus GTX560ti CuII
      • PSU:
      • Be Quiet E9 680w
      • Case:
      • HAF 912+
      • Operating System:
      • W7 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 21" ips something

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    You'd need to look at the actual usage first, how much is the cpu being loaded by the spreadsheet?
    You might be able to upgrade the cpu if you're willing to take it apart to get to it.
    The P6300 (2.26ghz) should work in that fine or maybe the i3-390M (2.66ghz) but compatibility can be a right headache in laptops, even if the socket is correct the power and cooling might not cope or bios not be compatible, the P6300 should be ok as it's the same range, the socket G1 i7's would be right out as they have a much higher power demand and thermal output.

    An SSD could well make a major impact if there's a lot of hard drive access, which can be caused not just by data caching but also be things like anti virus constantly checking all data being read and written to the drive.
    Closing down and programs and/or services that are not used or needed could well help too.

    For a new laptop, I've found in general the 3rd gen i3 ,ie the 3110m (2.4ghz) or 3120m (2.5ghz), are great for general office work
    Something like the Samsung Series 3 350E would fit the bill nicely
    http://www.misco.co.uk/product/19893...op-Notebook-PC

    Look at the current drive space usage, esp if most of the storage is done on a network then you could well be under 100gb so you might well be able to squeeze a 120-128gb ssd into the budget as well.
    If you get one of the kingston upgrade bundles you can then keep the hard drive as a portable for storage or backup.
    Or just get an ssd and an empty portable drive casehttp://www.scan.co.uk/products/icy-box-ib-231stu-g-external-enclosure-for-25-sata-hdd-to-usb-20-host-brushed-aluminium-grey then use some other bit of software to back up to it (windows7 has some back up software built in and most laptops come with their own backup software these days), you can use this as a good reason to upgrade to an ssd

    EDIT: for portability I personally find a 15" laptop too big, generally I'd not own anything over a 13", but I don' work on giant wide spread sheets
    PS I'd fully recommend the HP Pro Book laptops lovely high build quality and aluminium cases but they would be out of the price range.
    PPS As this is for business use, is there a way the VAT can be claimed back as an expense? that would give you a nice 20% boost to the budget.

  16. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    West Sussex
    Posts
    1,075
    Thanks
    73
    Thanked
    132 times in 124 posts
    • kompukare's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P8Z77-V LX
      • CPU:
      • Intel i5-3570K
      • Memory:
      • 2 x 8GB Crucial Ballistix Elite PC3-14900
      • Storage:
      • Crucial MX200 | Sandisk Extreme 120GB SSD | WDC 1TB Green | Samsung 1Tb Spinpoint
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290 VaporX 7950
      • PSU:
      • Antec 650 Gold TruePower (Seasonic) or Seasonic SII-330
      • Case:
      • Aerocool DS 200 (silenced, 53.6 litres)l)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10-64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 2 x Dell P2414H

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    "I need to carry my laptop everywhere with me, so I want the biggest heaviest laptop I can buy!"
    To get some nice healthy exercise perhaps? Then why not get a toughbook and use it as dumbbell!

  17. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Earth
    Posts
    1,509
    Thanks
    52
    Thanked
    272 times in 171 posts
    • Jasp's system
      • CPU:
      • i5 3570k @ 3.4GHZ
      • Memory:
      • 8GB DDR3 1600MHZ
      • Storage:
      • 1 x 512Gb Crucial MX100 1 x 2TB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA GTX 670 SC
      • PSU:
      • 850W Corsair HX
      • Case:
      • Coolmaster Haf X V2
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 64-Bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell U2412M 1920X1200
      • Internet:
      • 6Mb ADSL

    Re: Double the processor speed for laptop

    After carting around a 21" laptop for years i can't understand the logic of a 17" being heavy lol.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •