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    Arrow Intel 925XE chipset and 3.46GHz Extreme Edition CPU

    AMD has moved on but Intel's top-level performance has remained largely the same, so whilst I'm a fan of all the good aspects of 925X/XE chipsets, I find it hard to recommend it as a performance platform when the Extreme Edition is still playing catchup, most notably in gaming. Cast aside any company-specific favouritisms and ask yourself objectively what you would rather have if money was not an issue - an AMD FX-55/nForce4/DDR1 2-2-2-5 memory setup or 3.46GHz Extreme Edition/i925XE/DDR2?
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    i read it earlier, the new cpu seems to be ok, but i put it, only ok

    most tests the AMDs won hands down, but theres no real suprise there is there? i was quite shocked how badly it got whopped, seing as its probably the best, or at least the most exspensive p4 out by most of the AMDs.....the model numbers are right tho....the XP3500+ just pips the 3.46 ghz I think....with the FX55 running circles around all the p4s..
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    I've got a feeling socket 775 and DDR2 is going to go the way of socket 423 and rdram
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    How comes there wasnt no sandra bench marks?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skattrd
    I've got a feeling socket 775 and DDR2 is going to go the way of socket 423 and rdram

    quite possibly, i never liked 775 since it emerged, sure it does give u stupidly high FSB, but who cares? i mean theres little real advantage of the systems over say a 3.6 northwood, infact, in some tests the EE P4 gets owned by it, which is no doubt a lot cheaper than the EE is

    ontop of that exspensive memory which isnt all that good (high latencies at the moment) and the 939 pin 64's are running rings round them in term of bandwidth even tho the ram runs slower
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    The 775 socket is superior though - to be honest it is more down to a flawed CPU than a flawed motherboard design.

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    Well im sorry I wont pay good money for one of there stupid sockets on those 775 motherboards. Intel can kiss my arse if they think I will pay good money for a crap socket design like that. It just boils down to intel being sick of RMAs that come back with bent or broken pins.

    I have went from P2+BX to Athlon+VIA then to P4+875i, so its time to flit back to AMD I think.

    Intel are crap at the minute, High heat generating cpus that cant keep up are not on the cards again.
    If I could be bothered I would change now, but I will wait and see how the field plays out first.

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    Very strong and abrupt statement there Defiant....

    Maybe your closing line sums it up - playing the waiting game?

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    Sorry but shouldn't the graphs be ordered by performance, the intel is at the bottom of every one, and whilst that makes it easy to find where it is, its not as easy to see what it compares like against other products (which is the point of the graphs).

    Just my 2p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David
    Very strong and abrupt statement there Defiant....

    Maybe your closing line sums it up - playing the waiting game?
    Well sorry im a bit angry at the way Intel is performing at the minute, I was looking forward to upgrading my P4 to a nice new one only to find Prescott generates to much heat, runs slower than Northwood cores (Even with larger Cache sizes)
    Then you have the 925XE, a chip with so much promise... but Intel has to go and couple it with one of the worse CPU socket designs have seen in a while. Then to top it off they give you DDR2 which has some latency issues due to its timings. Sure this issue will sort its self when Companies invest in DDR2 as it becomes more main stream. But Intel has shot itself in the foot again as it barely gives you a performace boast over normal DDr. Things don’t seems to be getting better as well, you seen the duel CPU cooler yet? Also I hear them talking about water cooling or peltzers (Not sure of spelling). God knows what the 2 cpu core design will require in the way of cooling.

    To top it all off Intel changes the CPU grades to numbers instead of raw Mhz/Ghz. The heckle is mainly for the fact that I saw this mile off, Users/buyers are becoming more savvy now that AMD has sorted its soft/hardware issues. They are now becoming a serious contender for corporate accounts because of Bang for buck ratios. But the main reason in my view is that Intel is having a hard time making these air cooled 4Ghz chips. Intel’s Law (Can remember the guys name) is coming back to bite them in the arse big time.

    So....


    Looks like AMD for me, unless Intel pulls there socks up and gives the user what he wants.

    Also I am sort of getting sick of my P4 at the minute as well, the Intel heat sink and fan kick in to Hi mode just about all the time now. The latest games cause it to go into hair dryer mode. I have a Alu case with 2x80mm fans for in air and 2x80mm for out plus I give its lots of fresh cold air as I have my window open even in the coldest of days as the PC is on the floor

    Just kind of think intel sucks at the minute.

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    I have an LGA775 motherboard. There is nothing wrong with the socket design. It is very well done, also there is far less chance of bending one of the pins on the motherboard than there is bending a pin on the CPU.

    I still think the P4 seems quicker in CPU intesive games. The hyperthreading is what does it I think. Without HT if anything happens in the background you get a jerk in the game. I know the framerates are coming out higher, but the games just feel smoother. It's hard to explain. I made my choice and I am very happy with it. My Hard Disk transfer rates are also noticeably faster using the AHCI SATA support.

    I admitt the intel stock HSF sucks. I replaced it with the starice which is much quieter, also keeps temps in the low 40's-50's overclocked.

    SuperPI calculation times are very fast running at a modest 3.75Ghz I got 33secs.

    I don't think there is anything really wrong with the MB design.

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    Dont get me wrong Capt Doufos, not getting at users that got the system, but I think intel has produced a system that has some failings in it.

    The socket design isn't the best as I have know friends that have had issues with the motherboards. Pins are fairly easier to bend by accident. Also a design flaw would be that the CPU can now be mounted into the socket with pins bent as the pins dont sit into a reces as in normal socket design. So you can boot up the PC to find its not working cause a pins bent. Yet another thing you will have to check to see why your PC wont boot up correctly.

    Hyperthreading is another issue, some say it increase performance and some say it doesn't. Cant say I do much multitasking for this to be a real advantage, the most intensive multithreading I do is alt tabing out a game to check the web.

    SATA support, is the this the command queuing function?

    I like the chipset, I just dont like the CPU and Socket technology.


    BUT....

    This is just my 2p on the matter, a little strong at times I know. But you have to be passionate at something even though its a little misguided at times

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    The only thing I don't get with people moaning about the socket design is:

    You have to apply no force what's so ever. I can understand how you could bend pins if you put force on it, but all you have to do is drop the chip in and clamp it in. You cannot bend the pins unless you force the chip in the wrong way, or drop somthing on pins. Both of which are just as achiveable on a standard chip. The other advantage is because of the way it clamps the CPU in there is no chance of it being pulled out with the heatsink, I have on more than one occasion had a northwood pull out of a socket with the ZIFF leaver in the locked postion, so there is an improvement there.

    I think the only people who really need to be miffed over the change in socket design is the motherboard manufactures, as they will now get to deal with bent pins. I think that all the bad rumours that where spread early on about the socket are unfair and they have been repeated again and again and people are now just taking it as fact. I mean people were quoted broken sockets after 3/4 installs, I would like to know what the hell they were doing!

    Look at it this way. What costs more money? CPU or Motherboard. CPU useually by a fair way, which would you rather writeoff through bent pins? Either way, and wherever the pins are the chances of damaging either are pretty low.
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