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    my head is about to explode :(

    PLZZZZZZZZZZZ can someone help me with this memory problem ive got..

    since i got my a64 system i have been reading for weeks now about ocing it.

    i am sooo stuck on 1 thing Memory

    i have a winnie 3200+ and msi noe plat2
    now i need some memory to go with it
    but reading my so much on memory and making serveral posts and still i got no idea :x and my head has started hurting.. fearing it may explode i ve now started this new thread .

    ok so here s the deal

    i want to run memory on my msi boars @ 280-290 fsb @ 1t
    here is an list of memory that i got from a memory forum .
    Confirmed Samsung TCCD
    Adata PC4500 Vitesta
    Adata PC4800 Vitesta
    Apacer PC4000
    Centon Advanced DDR
    Corsair PC3200XL
    Corsair XMS PC3200C2 Rev4.1 2-3-3-6-1T
    Geil UltraX pc3200 ~ Brainpower PCB
    Gskill PC4400 (various) ~ Brainpower PCB ~ Not in UK (15/10/04)
    Kingston HyperX PC 3200ULK2 ~ Not in UK (15/10/04)
    Mushkin PC3200 Rev.2
    OCZ PC3200 Rev.2 ~ Brainpower PCB
    OCZ PC3700 Platinum
    Patriot Extreme Performance PDC5123200+XBLK ~ Brainpower PCB
    PQI 3200 Turbo 2-2-2-5 ~ Brainpower PCB
    Samsung PC4000 CL3 ~ Not in UK (15/10/04)
    Twinmos Twister Pro (ALL BRANDS?)

    Possible Samsung TCCD
    Corsair XMS PC3200C2 Rev4.2 2-3-3-6-1T
    Samsung OEM PC3200

    Confirmed Samsung TCCC Memory
    Corsair XMSPC3700 Rev1.1

    Possible Samsung TCCC Memory
    Adata PC4000 (can be Hynix D43, D5)
    Kingston HyperX PC4000/K2 (can be Hynix D43, D5)
    Kingston Value Ram PC3200 (can be D43, D5, Samsung TCCC, TCC4)
    Samsung Original PC3200 (can be TCC4) ~ {Require some input on these}

    --- Brainpower PCB
    this was on the subject of fast memory in FSB terms

    now from reading i understand that tccd and brainpower pcb are good things to have on your memory also .
    so lets assume that i have some memory that has TCCD and brainpower PCB (wotever the hell these are) but 1 is pc3200 and one is pc4400 woot would b capable of running the fastest fsbs?

    as u see in list above some are pc3200 and some pc4400 but seems that some pc3200 can do 300 + fsb (bh5 or something)
    i always thought that the fastest was the highest pc 3*** number but reading forums it seems that i am wrong

    so wot is the fastest avail mem on earth??? in terms of fsb??

    also i seen some ddr2 memory pc5400 upto 670 mhz (330fsb) wot is ddr2??

    and wot is ocz ddr booster omg see my hed is leaking fluid now help me some one plzzz b4 it explodes ((((((((((

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    DDR2 is a different type of memory not used on AMD platforms. Although it tends to have fast speeds than DDR memory, it also has greater latencies, reducing the benefits of the greater speed.
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    thanks mike w

    thats 1 less thing for me to worry about D

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuzTee
    so lets assume that i have some memory that has TCCD and brainpower PCB (wotever the hell these are) but 1 is pc3200 and one is pc4400 woot would b capable of running the fastest fsbs?
    To answer the question of PC3200 running at faster FSBs, it would depend on how good the RAM is - value or generic RAM wouldn't get very far, but decent low latency RAM, like Corsair, will probably go to quite high speeds if you relax the timings. However, it's not guaranteed, and PC4400 is quite a high overclock for PC3200 RAM.

    The fastest DDR RAM I have ever seen is PC4400, which I think is 550 DDR (so 275 FSB on your CPU) speeds.
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    mm...
    seems like u thinking same kinda thing as me mike.

    but its not the 4400 that gives u the speed.. i got xms corsair 4000 pro, and its maxing out at 210 fsb 215 max should b able to run 250 fsb, but no chance also it qwont boot up if running 1t TOTALY S*** MEMORY useless

    wot matters is wether the chips on the mem are "bh 5" or
    "tccd" or "brainpower pcb"
    althou im not sure wot exactly these mean i know that bh 5 memory can do 1t @ 285 fsb s

    but thats y i started this post so i can find out wot these means

    i Just NEED soemone to answer this question.....


    Woot memory will run 300 fsb + at 1t on msi neo plat2????????????????????????????

    p.s i also noticed on all thwese extreme oced pc s and experts seems to have 2 x 256 bh5 or wotever mem NOT 2 x 512
    y are they using 512 of mem is this better for ocing???

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    Corsair XMS is generally excellent - your the first person I've heard say that it is actually bad. You should be able to reach 250 - are you using SPD timings? And are you sure that it's the not the CPU or motherboard that can't reach 250 FSB? If you're absolutely sure that it's the memory, you can RMA it since Corsair RAM has a lifetime warranty.

    As for the chips on the memory, the decent memory brands such as Corsair uses decent chips, which is why they're good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_w
    Corsair XMS is generally excellent - your the first person I've heard say that it is actually bad. You should be able to reach 250 - are you using SPD timings? And are you sure that it's the not the CPU or motherboard that can't reach 250 FSB? If you're absolutely sure that it's the memory, you can RMA it since Corsair RAM has a lifetime warranty.

    As for the chips on the memory, the decent memory brands such as Corsair uses decent chips, which is why they're good!
    mike have u tried corsair?

    wot i find quite annoying is i make a post and always get this chitchat advise bla bla and NEVER the answer to my actual question......
    i have this memory in my pc and maybe pc3200 is good corair and it do 250 but as a noob i bought pc4000 as i thought like it says one it would do 250 fsb but it doesnt HENCE THIS HEADACHE and y i am tring now to get some PROPER memory WITHOUT wasting my money AGAIN!! (£216 for this sh*t that wont do basic speeds and wont even consider booting up at 1t)

    so please can someone answer this question once and for all??

    Woot memory will run 300 fsb + at 1t on msi neo plat2????????????????????????????


    XMS 4000 pro suks its more intel memory
    IT WONT EVEN RUN 1t wont boot up at all MAXES out at 210 fsb (alot of people are posting this that have this mem) yes i have checked memory timings

    so u see my point??

    someone who know nothing will go buy pc4000 as it was highest pc value out at the time. but infact it was totaly the wrong choice i need some tccd memory but woot i dont know, the pc3*** has nothing to do with it it seems

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    i think you need to relax the timings on your corsair

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    Quote "wot i find quite annoying is i make a post and always get this chitchat advise bla bla and NEVER the answer to my actual question......""


    Ye cheers ben i tried that DOH!!!!

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    BH-5 ram is a very good clocking ram. I have BH-5 (3x256) in my rig, it's good for 257mhz CAS2 11-2-2-2 @ 3.16v (measured by multimeter) in a DFI Infinity Ultra400. 256mb sticks generally clock better than 512s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxus V1.01
    BH-5 ram is a very good clocking ram. I have BH-5 (3x256) in my rig, it's good for 257mhz CAS2 11-2-2-2 @ 3.16v (measured by multimeter) in a DFI Infinity Ultra400. 256mb sticks generally clock better than 512s.
    ye i been hearing alot about BH-5 but where can i get this kinda mem from. as it hasnt been in production for some years now? si its like gold dust

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    Muztee, what settings you running your system at??.

    Whats the HTT bus set to, what multipler you running?. You got PCI/AGP locked?.

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    yup, we need more info..

    What your current memory timings are as well..
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    ok its like this.....

    following the basic a64 ocing rule s
    i have found.........
    CPU becomes unstable @ 2450 - 2500 mhz
    HTT maxes out @ 280 - 290
    Memory 210 - 220 fsb 2t (timings tried on auto, also tried tight loose by spd and any way poss) 3,4,4,8 is woot is states on web site tried that too Also as i said This mem WILL NOT even boot 1t
    so .. i wana run 9 x 275 with mem 1t 1:1 (275fsb) giving me 2475 mhz cpu and maxing out my system.

    rather than having 9 X 250 with mem @ 2t 166mhz giving me 2250cpu speed mem 208fsb @2t anymore fsb mem becomes unstable (wot crap memory) and htt 250 which is wot i have to run at the moment.

    i ve tried vdimm upto 2.85 no help

    htt multi is set to is 3x

    agp is locked im pretty sure (but how do i check this??)

    also using sata raptor on sata 3, but read somewhere that the msi bord has probs and i need to run my sata from plugin port and not use the mainboard s sata s ports although im not to sure how to do this so i havent done it :X

    i hope this is all the info u wanted =]

    ok so wot mem do i need to get 1t 285 fsb????
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    sigh :x

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    do not necessarily blame the memory

    Have recently got myself a Neo54G i.e. wi-fi card included but its one pig of a board
    got Some corsair XMS4000 and initially was lucky to hit 225-230 that cas3 ram 8-4-4-3 and many sites on the net give similar stories.

    Some Rules that seem to work wonders...
    Avoid Cas3 try 2.5
    Aggressive timing = disabled
    mem in green slots only... any other it will lock
    htt freq at 3 or less
    set your agp speed to 67 to keep the pci locked.

    got upto 290fsb last night with my 3000 winchester chip.

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