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[Bonebreaker777]

TeamGroup Xtreem LV 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21300C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit £65:99

Much faster ram for the same money inc postage as your paying for the 1866 corsair stuff. even cheaper if you get free postage from OCUK.

Nobody would force him to run it at 2666Mhz plus 1.6-1.65V.
Can always use a different XMP with reduced voltage.

EDIT: I wasn't able to find specific JEDEC and XMP profiles in details but in reviews been mentioned that there is 7x of them. Surely one would have the reduced voltage option while still offering reasonable speed.

[Willzzz]

As I said earlier, it;s not that it won't work or that you can't tweak the profiles to find settings that are stable, but it's just such a hassle for an imperceptible gain.

Like Pob I recommend buying simple 1600mhz ram that will just work and perform well out of the box.

This might be a nice compromise:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J8E91T0/?tag=pcp0f-21

It's 1866mhz, over £10 cheaper and free delivery. (other colours available)
Bargain.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I see the price creeping up again - the overclocking capable build is getting more and more expensive now!

The socket 1150 adaptor for the TRUE is very hard to get and Haswell does run hot even in the DC version if you actually want to get a decent overclock,so that its another £35 to £50 there.
Add a £90 motherboard into the mix and now things start getting more and more expensive.

Overclocking is not free anymore. In very multi-threaded games,that Core i5 4690K would need to be overclocked to keep up with a Xeon E3/Core i7 - those Crysis3 benchmarks show a significant performance bump for the IB Core i7 tested when compared to a Core i5.

After all,like I said I expect to keep my IB Xeon E3 1230 V2 for at least two years more,maybe even longer and I like upgrading every few years due to upgradetitus.

OTH,that build I did for a mate,needs to last 4 or 5 years without an upgrade for the CPU,and that was using a Xeon E3 1230 V3.

Things like Mantle and DX12,actually emphasise less single threaded bottlenecks,and emphasise multi-threaded performance more - all the bumpf from Intel,AMD and Nvidia indicates this.

Remember the consoles use a low power 8 core CPU - with probably around six of those cores available for games.

Like I also said many motherboards support a function where all the cores can be run at max Turbo anywhere - it was in the mini-ITX motherboard I used for that build and even on my B75 ASRock motherboard.

[Pob255]

The socket 1150 adaptor for the TRUE is very hard to get and Haswell does run hot even in the DC version if you actually want to get a decent overclock,so that its another £35 to £50 there.

wow that was showing as in stock when I linked to it

new link http://www.amazon.co.uk/VX-Bolt-Thro...f=sr_1_fkmr0_1

[Willzzz]

I see the price creeping up again - the overclocking capable build is getting more and more expensive now!

The socket 1150 adaptor for the TRUE is very hard to get and Haswell does run hot even in the DC version if you actually want to get a decent overclock,so that its another £35 to £50 there.
Add a £90 motherboard into the mix and now things start getting more and more expensive.

Overclocking is not free anymore. In very multi-threaded games,that Core i5 4690K would need to be overclocked to keep up with a Xeon E3/Core i7 - those Crysis3 benchmarks show a significant performance bump for the IB Core i7 tested when compared to a Core i5.

After all,like I said I expect to keep my IB Xeon E3 1230 V2 for at least two years more,maybe even longer and I like upgrading every few years due to upgradetitus.

OTH,that build I did for a mate,needs to last 4 or 5 years without an upgrade for the CPU,and that was using a Xeon E3 1230 V3.

Things like Mantle and DX12,actually emphasise less single threaded bottlenecks,and emphasise multi-threaded performance more - all the bumpf from Intel,AMD and Nvidia indicates this.

Remember the consoles use a low power 8 core CPU - with probably around six of those cores available for games.

Like I also said many motherboards support a function where all the cores can be run at max Turbo anywhere - it was in the mini-ITX motherboard I used for that build and even on my B75 ASRock motherboard.

Totally agree about the overclocking, it used to be worth it big time, but times change and we should move with them.

Doesn't Mantle reduce CPU overheads, so actually it benefits slower processors more and beefy i7 type CPUs less?


AMD's Official Performance Data

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

wow that was showing as in stock when I linked to it

new link http://www.amazon.co.uk/VX-Bolt-Thro...f=sr_1_fkmr0_1

All the way from Germany(!). Makes things a tad cheaper though!

Totally agree about the overclocking, it used to be worth it big time, but times change and we should move with them.

Doesn't Mantle reduce CPU overheads, so actually it benefits slower processors more and beefy i7 type CPUs less?


AMD's Official Performance Data

Things like Mantle and DX12 will push more multi-threaded loads and reduce single threaded bottlenecks,so this is why you see the performance speedups on AMD CPUs(they have better multi-threaded performance relative to their single threaded performance).

[Willzzz]

So why is the FX8350 almost at the bottom?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So why is the FX8350 almost at the bottom?

Frostbite 3 is already very well threaded,and as an engine it was somewhat less optimised in the first place for anything less than 4 Intel cores(newer ones) or 4 AMD modules in MP games. DICE was using FX8350 rigs in demos,so of all the AMD CPUs it is the one which had the best optimisation from day one.

In fact its during MP games where you see the biggest improvement with Mantle. People with Core2 quads and similar CPUs have noticed better performance according to a few threads I have seen on OcUK and the like.

The SP testing from websites is pointless though.

One of the biggest improvements was in Thief which only really uses two threads properly(UE3 uses upto 4 threads but prioritises two IIRC),and it helped balance the CPU load more evenly.

There were massive improvements on AMD CPUs,Phenom II and Core2 quads with the game.

[OldFartAtPlay]

Looks like too much on the cpu and not enough on the mobo to me