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    Update on the MSI half multiplier story


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    His first article was extremely harsh, perhaps not a good call. Still, it's good that he's published a follow-up to it.

    Although I must just comment on this:
    Since not that many overclockers or computer users own a digital multimeter (or know how to use one,)
    If this is the case I'd like to see more people owning and using them... they are extremly useful tools.
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    How much do they cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kez
    Although I must just comment on this:
    If this is the case I'd like to see more people owning and using them... they are extremly useful tools.
    I dont know a modder without one !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson
    How much do they cost?
    <£10 for a basic one at maplins.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    And by trying to force me to like small pants, they've alienated me.

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    I dont know a modder without one !
    Free if your dad gives you the one he's had for three years and doesn't have a clue what it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kez
    Free if your dad gives you the one he's had for three years and doesn't have a clue what it is
    Well unless they are standard equipment on a zimmer-frame then I doubt whether that'll work for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kez
    His first article was extremely harsh, perhaps not a good call. Still, it's good that he's published a follow-up to it.

    Although I must just comment on this:
    If this is the case I'd like to see more people owning and using them... they are extremly useful tools.
    I think he defines "overclocker" as anybody who has ever modified the BIOS settings in an attempt to increase performance. I have NEVER seen a real overclocker without at least one DMM.

    I'm using the K8N Neo2 with a Winny 3200+ and Corsair XL w/TCCD chips and it is an amazing combo. It is by far the best bang for the buck at the moment....BUT....

    The K8N Neo2 has many many quirks. Having even one setting in the BIOS wrong will cause it to be unstable if you overclock at all, and many of the default settings are "wrong" and will not allow overclocking. That is most likely what they did. Also there is a lot of misinformation about what these settings are. An example of one such setting is the nVidia/ATi performance setting in the secret section of the BIOS Corecell menu. If this is enabled when overclocking (it is by default) it will not be possible to get a decent stable overclock. It must be disabled, and this is the case with many more settings as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kez
    If this is the case I'd like to see more people owning and using them... they are extremly useful tools.
    Maybe by computer users he means anyone that uses a computer? I would expect most overclockers to own a multi-meter.
    I don't mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious, but I am so that's the way it comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormPC
    The K8N Neo2 has many many quirks. Having even one setting in the BIOS wrong will cause it to be unstable if you overclock at all, and many of the default settings are "wrong" and will not allow overclocking. That is most likely what they did. Also there is a lot of misinformation about what these settings are. An example of one such setting is the nVidia/ATi performance setting in the secret section of the BIOS Corecell menu. If this is enabled when overclocking (it is by default) it will not be possible to get a decent stable overclock. It must be disabled, and this is the case with many more settings as well.
    Sounds like there's scope for an article on Neo2 OC'ing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormPC
    I think he defines "overclocker" as anybody who has ever modified the BIOS settings in an attempt to increase performance. I have NEVER seen a real overclocker without at least one DMM.
    "Real"?

    I've been overclocking since the 386SX, but for me it's just about getting some extra performance for nothing, so buying loads of extra kit and/or reducing the life of my components is not a road I want to travel.

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    Maybe I sould say "serious" instead of "real". To me if you've never done a vmod you are not an "overclocker". Mearly changing a BIOS setting or two doesn't really qualify as "overclocker" in my book although many will disagree. I don't really consider myself an overclocker. I'm a system builder. I do however own several volt meters and have done many vmods. Just my opinion, and I thought it was funny that the author of the article would state something like that.

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    It's funny how people invent their own definitions. Clearly an overclocker is someone who overclocks, i.e. who runs things at faster than their official speed.

    There *are* two different reasons for this - those, like me, who are just looking to get some extra performance from their kit for nowt, and those, like you, who have to get the absolute top performance. But, at the moment anyway, both are covered by overclocker.

    There really should be two different names, and seeing as you don't really consider yourself an overclocker, perhaps we should come up with a new name for you - something suitably 1337 and ¶ħ@

    Roxxorcloxxors maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson
    It's funny how people invent their own definitions. Clearly an overclocker is someone who overclocks, i.e. who runs things at faster than their official speed.
    So, going along the same concept; somone that downloads a "hacking" program that causes damage to another machine by clicking a bit button is, as you put it, clearly a hacker.

    Im with Storm on this one. Changing a BIOS setting to run a piece of hardware out of spec is nothing more than mild tweeking.
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    Your example is nonsense. A hacker, inter alia, is either someone who gains unauthorised access to another's computer or someone very skilled in computers/programming.

    If you get enough people around the world to agree with your definition, then it will change, just like the spelling of tweak would become tweek, but for now words mean what they mean, rather than what you wish them to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorsson
    Your example is nonsense. A hacker, inter alia, is either someone who gains unauthorised access to another's computer or someone very skilled in computers/programming.
    No, its not non-sence. If that program that he downloaded, and that button he pressed gave them unauthorised access to a system, would he be a hacker ?
    Perhaps he may go around telling his friends that he his, but say it to somone that knows what they are talking about, and he would get laughed at.

    Exactly the same concept as to what Storm was making. While changing one setting in a BIOS may well be runnning the system out of spec, it really doesnt make the person an overclocker in my eyes. If the person who did this went around claiming that "i pressed pageup on FSB frequency and now it runs faster and im an overclocker omg omg omg whys it crashing ;;(" makes him an overclocker, then he's just on borrowed time before he says it to the wrong person.

    Am i a hair stylist because i can gell my hair in the morning ?
    Am i a beautician because i know how to cut my nails ?
    A professional gamer because i can beat my mates at a game of UT ?
    Those are rhetorical questions btw

    I belive an overclocker to be a lot more than somone who can change a setting in a BIOS, but as you pointed out if i can get enough people to agree with it, then maybe it will become the standard, and considering "overclocker" doesnt seem to be in the dictionary at the moment, i guess that we'll just have to have our different versions of the word and see which one gains general acceptance
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