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    Upgrade Time?

    I've got a i7 920 (yep!) 2.4 overclocked to a little over 3 Ghz, 12GB ram, SSD and a 680 GTX.

    It's perfectly fine and I only use it for gaming, specifically MMORPG's. Currently playing ESO mostly with a little FF XIV planned when heavensward is released.

    Re ESO - I get a lot of lag when i'm playing when my partner logs in or 'zones' her character. (We share the same computer, both playing at the same time on separate monitors) and we're currently both set to medium quality. A new system would resolve this as we'd have individual computers, but i'd prefer to keep the one system due to space requirements (one matx case fits into desk perfectly). Budget would be £1000-1200

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nox View Post
    I've got a i7 920 (yep!) 2.4 overclocked to a little over 3 Ghz, 12GB ram, SSD and a 680 GTX.

    It's perfectly fine and I only use it for gaming, specifically MMORPG's. Currently playing ESO mostly with a little FF XIV planned when heavensward is released.

    Re ESO - I get a lot of lag when i'm playing when my partner logs in or 'zones' her character. (We share the same computer, both playing at the same time on separate monitors) and we're currently both set to medium quality. A new system would resolve this as we'd have individual computers, but i'd prefer to keep the one system due to space requirements (one matx case fits into desk perfectly). Budget would be £1000-1200

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    Considered adding a 2nd mini-itx PC? I dont remember ESOs requirements; but im sure you could spec up something nice - Dualboxing on same pc is asking for trouble tho - with keyboards/mice etc.

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    If your problem would be resolved by getting two computers, but you can't due to space, then just replacing your computer might not do anything to fix the problem.

    I'd do some more investigation to figure out what the bottleneck is - run resource monitor and see what is getting loaded more when she zones. You might be purely limited by the game engine not threading all that well, in which case upgrading your single system is going to have limited benefit. It could be I/O, unlikely as that is on an SSD, but if the SSD load gets high while zoning it could cause some other effects like stuttering. Also if you're set on replacing anyway, you could try a more serious overclock to boost the CPU a bit - 3.7-3.8ghz should be no problem.

    Finally you mention lag, which if you're using it correctly, suggests a network bottleneck rather than other hardware - you are probably limited by what's going into your house more than anything there, but it might be worth looking at upgrading the NIC.

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    I would think he should be able to spec up a couple decent mini-itx systems - which should get over the space issue.

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcvs View Post
    Considered adding a 2nd mini-itx PC? I dont remember ESOs requirements; but im sure you could spec up something nice - Dualboxing on same pc is asking for trouble tho - with keyboards/mice etc.
    The dual boxing bit is not an issue, seriously. We both have our own independent login sessions, independent monitors, mice & keyboards assigned to each. So not like your regular dual boxing where you have two game sessions running on one monitor.

    The lag doesn't feel like network lag. It's the entire other session locks up whilst the other is zoning. hmmm, got me thinking now. The CPU has lots of cores, so thread wise, as long as they are running on different ones, it should be ok? And windows does a half decent job of moving stuff to underused cores. i'll look later, will be an easy one to . the SSD, it's actually got two in there, we have one copy of the game installed, so i could put another copy on the other SSD, but i don't think it's necessarily that. After reading your post Kalniel, my gut feeling is it's a bottleneck of data going to the GFX card. i could get another and assign one session to each i guess, but that's now me just keeping my fingers crossed! no guarantee of fixing, or that might resolve this completely.

    Re dual mini itx's, it did cross my mind was looking at two alienware alpha's - shame you can't upgrade the GPU in them But it does mean i can't necessarily bump up the quality when she's not playing

    Also playing on wifi which i bet doesn't help!!

    Thanks for the ideas both

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Build your own Mini-itx PC's .

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    What about migrating one system to a HAF stacker and then building another in it. You can stack multiple systems on top of eachother that way.

    http://prntscr.com/73oblt

    You could add another hard drive and anything else. Two great systems, and stackable
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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    He said

    (one matx case fits into desk perfectly)
    I think size might be an issue

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Depends whether he meant height or if he meant width (or both).
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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    If you end up building a new PC, it would need a graphics card. So buying a second graphics card wouldn't be a waste if you end up having to go that way.

    A couple of HAF Stacker cases seemed the obvious way forward to me too. There are some really tiny itx cases out there was well that might be small enough that you can find a corner to squeeze it.

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Cooler Maste Elite 110. I believe it's cheap, smaller than HAF and works just fine (ATX PSU, ITX GPU, reasonable tall CPU cooler).

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Cooler Maste Elite 110. I believe it's cheap, smaller than HAF and works just fine (ATX PSU, ITX GPU, reasonable tall CPU cooler).
    I haven't tried the HAF, but I have found the Elite 110 to be hard to make a quiet system out of. Probably doesn't stack well either if you want two of them

    I also have a Thermaltake Element Qi which is really small, though limited to a single width graphics card which is quite rare these days.
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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    The OP is running two instances of the same game on the same computer??

    Personally I would just get another computer and if you build a mini-ITX based system,you could get around the space problems.

    I would also up the overclocked on the Core i7 920 system too. 3GHZ is not a very high overclock TBH!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The OP is running two instances of the same game on the same computer??

    Personally I would just get another computer and if you build a mini-ITX based system,you could get around the space problems.

    I would also up the overclocked on the Core i7 920 system too. 3GHZ is not a very high overclock TBH!!
    I am and apart from the lag when someone zones it's really quick - surprisingly so in fact the only game where we had any issues was lotro, and that was to do with the way it's full screen mode worked apparently. both playing in windowed mode sorted that!

    thanks for all the advice everyone - still not sure what to do though - i guess not many people are using their system the same way i am. it originally came around because i originally wanted a single really good machine that I could steam-stream to multiple clients round the house. (in particular to my macbook, known their gaming prowess!) it worked, but wifi was just a little too laggy, so the 'test' machine ended coming back upstairs and slotting back into the desk.

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    What wifi are you using (speed wise)

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    Re: Upgrade Time?

    Router is ac, computer is n 450. The reception in there is not wonderful and a cable made a huge difference until I tripped over it going up the stairs! So it went again. Maybe I should try some power line adapters? Are they decent these days? Last set I had was about 10 years ago and awful!

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