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    Possible new build

    Looking at finishing my upgrade off with the list below (I already have a msi gtx 980ti card, and a EVGA 100W PSU)

    What are people thoughts?

    Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Chassis Black Edition

    Motherboard: Asus RAMPAGE V EXTREME X99 USB3.1 ( Scan Code: LN63161)

    SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (Scan Code: LN61676)

    Memory/Ram: Corsair 16 GB 3000 Vengeance LPX Red DDR4 ( Scan Code: LN61752)

    CPU Cooler: EKWB EK-Predator AIO CPU Liquid Cooling Unit - 240mm (Scan Code: LN66681)

    CPU: Intel Core i7 5820K Socket 2011-3 (Scan Code: LN58535)

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    Re: Possible new build

    Sounds like a good build to me, though not too keen on the case im a huge fan of fractal deisgn cases

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    Re: Possible new build

    The reason I have chosen that case is down to a few things; firstly the fact the psu is hidden and out of the way, secondly i can put my ssd on the back of the motherboard and again its hidden (i have seen this on some other cases), thirdly the air flow config allows me to set it up as I want, and lastly I like the overall design of it. Only thing I am unsure on is the cpu cooler :-| Do i get the EK-Predetor 240mm or wait until the end of October and go for the 360mm? At the moment I cant decide but I think I'm set on everything else.....for now.
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    Re: Possible new build

    The SSD stands out as being a rather cheap among the other stuff. Given how much money you're throwing at the other components I'd have expected a PCI-E SSD like an Intel 750 or Samsung SM951.

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    Re: Possible new build

    The one area i'm not so clued up on is ssd's as long as it has decent capacity of space, and is fairly fast I thought that woudl be ok. Maybe you could tell me why it would be best to say choose the Samasung SM951 over the Samsung 850 EVO? The one thign I have been told is that the current pci-e Samsung ssd'd have some issue with heat, but thats about all I know.

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    Re: Possible new build

    Quote Originally Posted by AledJ View Post
    The one area i'm not so clued up on is ssd's as long as it has decent capacity of space, and is fairly fast I thought that woudl be ok. Maybe you could tell me why it would be best to say choose the Samasung SM951 over the Samsung 850 EVO? The one thign I have been told is that the current pci-e Samsung ssd'd have some issue with heat, but thats about all I know.
    It will be fine, the thing that makes SSDs special is the IOPS (I/O per second) rate being so much higher than rotating disc. How you plug it in doesn't change the IOPS, just how many peak MB/sec you can transfer which isn't as important.

    The only problem I have with my Samsung SSD is capacity, 250GB is just a bit small. Higher capacity often helps performance as well.

    You do have the option of an M.2 SSD on that board, which would be faster in benchmarks and make for a neater build with less cables.

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    Re: Possible new build

    Quote Originally Posted by AledJ View Post
    Maybe you could tell me why it would be best to say choose the Samasung SM951 over the Samsung 850 EVO?
    Because it's faster?

    It not fast enough to be noticeable a lot of the time, but that comment goes for most of the rest of the stuff you've picked too. I assumed you were either after that last few percent or just wanted the best stuff available.

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    Re: Possible new build

    The amount of people buying Haswell-E at the moment seems high, I guess Intels ploy of making Skylake motherboards expensive has paid off!

    Do you really need 6 cores or has Intels new pricing made you spend more instead of less? 980Ti says to me "gaming rig"....which 5820K is total overkill for. I'd still go Haswell + i5 + DDR3 for gaming.....especially for a single GPU.
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    Re: Possible new build

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    Because it's faster?

    It not fast enough to be noticeable a lot of the time, but that comment goes for most of the rest of the stuff you've picked too. I assumed you were either after that last few percent or just wanted the best stuff available.
    To back that up, here are some numbers. They look very impressive, in reality most people won't feel any difference. But, if you want the best, this is the direction to look.

    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1509?vs=1415

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    Re: Possible new build

    Just made the order and decided to stay with the SSD I listed above in the end, and this was due to cost really. I wanted to put the majority of my money on items which would be a nice boost in games with the highest settings, and so I concluded that the SSD was the item which would not give me a huge boost overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    The amount of people buying Haswell-E at the moment seems high, I guess Intels ploy of making Skylake motherboards expensive has paid off!

    Do you really need 6 cores or has Intels new pricing made you spend more instead of less? 980Ti says to me "gaming rig"....which 5820K is total overkill for. I'd still go Haswell + i5 + DDR3 for gaming.....especially for a single GPU.
    You would be correct in saying this rig is a gaming rig, and I also have ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q to get even more out of the gfx card. To answer your question..............Yes I do need 6 cores and nearly went for the 8 core version. Why would the 5820k be overkill? I am after all a gaming enthusiast who wants to play on the fastest set-up i can get, and I love seeing the 3Dmark scores after each upgrade. Why would you settle for the standard Haswell when you have the option of the Haswell-e ?? In my mind that is a restricted system, and something if you have the budget I would advise against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AledJ View Post
    You would be correct in saying this rig is a gaming rig, and I also have ASUS ROG SWIFT PG278Q to get even more out of the gfx card. To answer your question..............Yes I do need 6 cores and nearly went for the 8 core version. Why would the 5820k be overkill? I am after all a gaming enthusiast who wants to play on the fastest set-up i can get, and I love seeing the 3Dmark scores after each upgrade. Why would you settle for the standard Haswell when you have the option of the Haswell-e ?? In my mind that is a restricted system, and something if you have the budget I would advise against.
    Unless your running dual or triple 980Tis, your not going to see a scrap of difference unless its a synthetic benchmark. Even multi-GPU setups shouldn't need extra grunt once DX12/Vulkan titles arrive.

    So, 200-300ukp for higher 3DMark scores? If it floats your boat.....
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    Re: Possible new build

    Quote Originally Posted by AledJ View Post
    ... Why would you settle for the standard Haswell when you have the option of the Haswell-e ?? In my mind that is a restricted system, and something if you have the budget I would advise against.
    In real world usage even a Haswell i5 actually has more CPU grunt available than you're ever likely to need unless you specifically go out of your way to strangle the CPU. We hit an inflection point a couple of years ago when software suddenly went from demanding more and more POWAH to perform well, to using the available power more efficiently and effectively. As such, it's really hard to max out a mid-to-high end CPU now unless you're using really badly written software. Similarly most modern software will run effectively with limited RAM available. And, as shaithis points out above, the next generation of graphics APIs are all about removing CPU load from the rendering pipeline so the CPU power can be used for processing more effects and more complex AI, amongst other things.

    For an out-and-out gaming machine, CPU grunt is becoming increasingly less important. And at a guess (I'm a bit busy to research properly) I'd imagine that the price difference between a Haswell-E subsystem and a Haswell i7 subsystem is enough to push you from a single 980 Ti to a pair of 980s, maybe even more? That's actually quite a big kick upwards in the graphics system, and at high resolutions / multi-monitor that's where you'll feel the benefit more than a couple of extra cores and some synthetically faster RAM.

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    For a good picture, take a look at http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/85...kylake/?page=7 - that's a 980 at 1080p, which is probably a reasonable proxy for a 980 Ti at 1440p. There's only a few percent between all the i7 results; they're probably just about within the margins of experimental error, which suggests a GPU bottleneck, not a CPU one (look how far behind the AMD's are to get an idea of what a CPU bottlencek looks like at that resolution).
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    Re: Possible new build

    Quote Originally Posted by AledJ View Post
    Looking at finishing my upgrade off with the list below (I already have a msi gtx 980ti card, and a EVGA 100W PSU)

    100w? think your gonna need a little more power than that lol

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