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    Question Help with a build

    Current setup is in my signature.

    So first question - is now a good time to upgrade?

    Now I know that there is always something around the corner. But in terms of Cpu etc, skylake is out now. Is there something else I should wait on? Who doesn't hate waiting though haha.

    I would imagine I will be looking to upgrade at the end of September or so possibly October. I've to convince my new wife haha.

    So in terms of a budget I have in mind - about £1500. If I can spend less that would be great. I honestly don't like the thought of paying hundreds extra for 3fps.

    Monitor- I really want a 27 inch or bigger screen. I do want 2k though but not 4k as it would be a waste as I'm not buying that new 1200 quid pascal gpu.

    Cpu - looking Intel. Thinking i7 but only if it's noticeable for games over an i5.

    Ram - looking 16gb.

    Gpu - I don't know. 1070 looks good for 2k but as it's a gaming pc I'm open to suggestions. I would want it to run games well on the monitor.

    Case - I would like something small. Given the hardware there's only so small you go before you have problems with temperature and noise. But as small and fully functional as is possible. This wouldn't be a deal breaker.

    Noise - quiet would be nice haha.

    Overcooking - I always say I will. Thats why I got my current 2500k. But I never have. If any hardware could just pc itself so I don't need too, that would be great

    Other than this, I'm not bothered. I will most likely use my current Dell monitor as a second screen. But will need a new PSU, disk drive, SSD, mobo etc.

    As I haven't been keeping abreast of new tech, I'm unsure what to get so all help and advice is fully appreciated.

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    Re: Help with a build

    Your CPU is fine - trying overclocking it a bit if it is at stock.

    Get a new card - the GTX1070 was recently available for £360ish on OcUK,so some deals are starting to trickle through.

    Regarding new cards and new CPUs - there are rumours of an R9 490 - two possible dates are Q3 2016 or Q1 2017,and AMD Zen is meant to be released at the very end of the year.


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    Re: Help with a build

    Thanks Cat. Any recommendations on a monitor? If my pc is okay I may just upgrade gpu and get a new 27inch monitor.
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    Re: Help with a build

    It depends if you want GSync or not - only thing there is a big premium for it,and it locks you to one vendor. FreeSync monitors tend to cost more or less the same as their non-FreeSync equivalents but Nvidia apparently is not interested in supporting it.

    What kind of budget do you have for the monitor - does it need to be colour accurate for photography purposes??


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    Re: Help with a build

    Quote Originally Posted by neonplanet40 View Post
    Thanks Cat. Any recommendations on a monitor? If my pc is okay I may just upgrade gpu and get a new 27inch monitor.
    Gaming monitors at 2560x1440 are very expensive at the moment - between £400-£650. They have the advantage of a high frequency (144-165hz). Gsync ones are quite a bit more than Freesync equivalents.

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    Re: Help with a build

    See I don't even know what free sync is.

    At the moment I'd be looking at a 1070 and a budget for a 27inch would be around 450. It doesn't need to be accurate for professional photo editing. I'm used to my Dell and think it is excellent so if it is brighter and better than this, I'd be happy.

    Ideally I don't want to be locked to one vendor. I can see me going down the amd route over the nvidia 1070 because I have always preferred amd gpus.
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    Re: Help with a build

    GSync and FreeSync are variable rate refresh technologies will help out with framerate dips.

    If you don't mind still using a 60HZ monitor this one is decent:

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2715h.htm
    http://www.pcbuyit.co.uk/dell-ultras...tor-black.html

    There is this replacement too:

    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2717d.htm

    It has a thinner bezel but costs £100 more.


    There is this FreeSync one:

    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/27-a...dp-hdmi-dvi-us

    I have not seen any reviews yet.

    Acer does this 4K IPS monitor:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/666285-acer-b2...FUuRGwodFfAHCg

    Review:

    http://4k.com/monitor/a-review-of-th...ith-ergostand/
    http://www.digitaltrends.com/monitor...b286hk-review/

    Asus 4K monitor:

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/asus-pb287q-review

    Review:

    http://4k.com/monitor/asus-pb287q-28...onitor-review/

    This LG is 4K and has FreeSync too:

    http://www.ebuyer.com/742246-lg-27ud...FRATGwodch0JXg

    With 4K,you should be able to scale to 1920X1080 reasonably well.


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    Re: Help with a build

    Thanks Cat. I don't think I'm gonna go with 4k. Would prefer the 2k one. I always prefer gaming at native resolution. I'll go to 4k when capable graphics cards don't cost £1200!

    I'll look at the Dell ones. What websites have the best and most reviews for new monitors? I have came across tftcentral before.
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    I should say I am happy going with a 4k screen if it's in budget and has better picture quality. A few have said that decent 2k 27 inch screens are few and far between.
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    Re: Help with a build

    I'd say spend all the cash you can afford on a GPU, GTX 1060 or 1070, and 100% get more RAM. Otherwise I would say avoid paying the 4k premium, it'll be like pulling a thread in terms of budget. Try a good quality 27" from Dell or Samsung or similar for around £200.

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    Get an ultrawide gaming monitor! Pricing in $ but a good review page. 21:9, at 1440p, the number of pixels is comparable to 2k.

    Can people really tell the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz?

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    Maybe a dell 2715h IPS and a 1070. Would prefer AMD but they don't seem to compare at the moment.
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    Re: Help with a build

    Quote Originally Posted by neonplanet40 View Post
    ... Would prefer AMD but they don't seem to compare at the moment.
    Compare on what, though? On raw performance no, they don't - they've specifically targeted mainstream gamers with the latest generation. The performance GPUs will come later this year or maybe early next year. On bang for buck, they're pretty much spot on, and they've got cheaper GPUs inbound too. At the minute they're trying to recover market share and become profitable, which means investing heavily in getting lots of mainstream cards into circulation - those parts are lower margin, but they should more than make up the difference in volume. That will give them a better base for competing in the performance market later.

    If you want a better than 1080p resolution monitor (by 2k do you actually mean 2560x1440? To me 2k would be half of 4k, but half of 4k is 1080p ) and you want lush gaming with all the IQ turned up, then the 1070 is the sweet spot in this generation - the only AMD cards that would get close are the Fury range (which are roughly price equivalent to the 1070). If you're playing the right games a Fury will actually beat out a 1070 (Doom in Vulkan, for instance), but the 1070 will give you more consistent performance (blame AMD's poor DX11/OpenGL drivers for that one ).

    So really, if you want AMD you'd need to wait for Vega. In the meantime you could get a freesync monitor and an RX 480 - the variable refresh rate would help smooth out the performance, and the RX 480 is no slough at 2560x1440. Once Vega is released you could then sell on the RX 480, which I suspect will hold price reasonably, particularly if more Vulkan/DX12 games are released in the meantime.

    Of course, there's every chance Vega will be overkill at 2560x1440. But then you'd be talking about a 4k monitor, and the only card that can drive one of those with all the IQ turened up (currently, anyway) is the Titan X. So you'd be looking at playing below the native resolution anyway, at which point an RX 480 might be OK again, at least as a stop gap.

    Heh, not as straightforward as it sounds, apparently. Perhaps 2x RX 470 in crossfire will be a killer combination?

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    Bah. Dunno what to get now. Crossfire appears patchy. I had looked at two 480's but the results were spotty.
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    Re: Help with a build

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    Bah. Dunno what to get now. Crossfire appears patchy. I had looked at two 480's but the results were spotty.
    Yeah, multi-GPU setups are going to be a bit of an unknown as developers move over to DX12/Vulkan, where (AFAIK) conventional crossfire and SLI don't work, and multiGPU has to be explicitly coded for (although MS has released an abstraction to make it easier to add mGPU to DX12 games). Games that already get a benefit from mGPU will benefit from crossfire. Games that don't, don't. I personally suspect that as devs move over to DX12/Vulkan we'll see increasing native support for mGPU, but that's pure conjecture (although the DX12 games where it's done well suggest it's well worth it). I guess nvidia dropping SLI from the GTX 1060 might put some devs off though? *shrug* Who knows?

    Currently, the only way to be sure if mGPU is worthwhile is to hunt out reviews that include the games you want to play, tested on crossfire setups, I'm afraid.

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    Yea so it seems.

    I could get a 480 and a dell 2715. Is there a better monitor than this for price?

    Its typical of amd not to release Vega to actually compete with nvidia across the board. Making people wait until next year when nvidia will no doubt bring out even newer cards. At this rate they will never compete towards the upper end. End of rant lol.
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