Skt 478 Celerons...

[Rabs]

Anyone have or had any experience of these CPU's?

I was thinking of maybe building a cheap box for friend or two.

Any comments appreciated

[Trash Man]

I have a Celly 800 machine here with a 370 celeron in it. It's just a download box but it's near silent and still runs cool, very stable as well, but I guess that is down to the motherboard more than the CPU.

Can't say I would recommend it for gaming but other than that it seems fine.

[Swafe]

800? you mean 370

478 are p4 sockets, i.e 1.7-2.8ghz parts

[Trash Man]

Yup you are right it is 370, doh, I just know I don't have the Slot version

[Austin]

Unfort the Skt478 Celly are poo. Under 2.0ghz the use the Willy core which is very hot and slower per ghz, 2.0ghz max. From 2.0ghz they use the NW core and run cooler and o/c MUCH better. You should find 2.7-3.0ghz doable BUT they still suck big time. Even at 3.0ghz they struggle against a P4 2.0ghz and 1.6ghz AthlonXP. The AthlonXP in particular offer excellent pound per pound and it makes a HUGE amount more sense to go with a SktA solution, esp if you fancy o/c'ing.

[Swafe]

you know if socket 370 cellys are all that bad? i got one at 1.5ghz at the mo and seems fine but ive never compared it, but i know its goin to be less, you think it may be out run by a 1ghz athlon accoridng to that

[Rabs]

I know Skt 478 Celerys are pretty pap but 'uneducated' ppl (the majority of ppl) think that more mhz is better.

I wonder what AMD CPU is closest to the 2.4 Celery performance wise? Anyone any ideas?

[Rabs]

Come to think of it I bet the 2.4C clocks like a bitch on heat, 3Ghz + anyone

[Swafe]

i reckon a 2.4 ghz celeron could be outperformed by a 1.6 amd piece

[Austin]

S370 Celly's are MUCH better, the P4 was Intel's response to being whipped by the Athlon and coming 2nd in the race to 1ghz. The P4 was designed to do a minimum amount of work per clock cycle in order to run at a faster ghz (as said most people think that is better) whereas the Athlon & PIII were designed to do a maximum work per cycle.

So basically the PIII is roughly 10% slower than an Athlon (close to a Duron) although the faster ones tend to pull away all the more ... the PIII-based Celly's were MUCH closer to the PIII whereas the P4 Celly's are way behind due to the enormous reliance of the P4 architecture on high FSB and memory bandwidth (which Celly's lose). A S370 Celly @ 1.5ghz would probably beat a P4 @ 1.6ghz depending upon specifics.

There's plenty of links on the net, here's the one I have to hand...

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021016/index.html

Pattouk2001 @ TechReport had this to say, "Today at work I benchmarked a Celeron 1.7ghz using Win2000 and the 1M calculation in Super Pi. The Celeron managed a time of 2min 43sec, and when compared to a Duron 1.3ghz time of 1min 40sec, seems pretty awful! Even after I OCed the little bugger to 2.0ghz (it would of gone higher, but the board I was using was a cheap MicroATX thing with on-board everything with no voltage adjustment), it still only scraped a time of only 2min 31sec! To just show you even more how poor this is, a while back I benchmarked my mates P4 1.3ghz CPU with this program, and on Win9x (WinME), he scored 2min 54sec, whereas the Celeron 1.7ghz can only manage 3min 46sec on the same OS! Oh yeah, on another note, a Duron 1.3ghz can achieve a time of 1min 40sec using PC133 SDRAM, whereas the Celeron 1.7ghz can only achieve 2min 43sec using PC2700 DDRAM!"

[Rabs]

Thanks for the in depth info Austin, I think the P4 based Celery idea is in the bin.

I'll be looking at low end athlons for any el cheapo systems I build for ppl on a budget

[Swafe]

thanks m8, made me feel better as well

[St3v3]

Don't buy a celeron, get an AMD CPU.

If anyone has a good reason to buy a celeron, I wanna hear it cuz they must be insane.

AMD offer much better performance for your hard earned cash than the intel CPU's. Even intel mobos are overpriced for what AMD mobos can offer.

[Austin]

* If you have a very limited budget then a PIII-based Celly is a decent enough buy, not far off the equivilent Duron, Athlon or PIII and often o/c well too.

* You may wish to get a Celly if you want/have a SKt478 mobo but can't afford a P4 yet.

* You may want to get a Celly if someone demands Intel but has a low budget.

* Depending what your reqs are you may like the option of a NW Celly o/c'ed to 2.7-3.0ghz on a higher FSB. Gaming perf sure sucks but Internet CC, PCmark2002, encoding and SpecviewPerf aren't overly bad (perhaps compared to XP2000+ or P4 2.0ghz).

* If you're a big OEM and numbers and profit count.

* IIRC Celly's are generally cool runners so may be a better choice in an older SFF type PC or laptop.

I'm sure there are a few others but there's no doubt the sane choice is between AthlonXP or the 800FSB P4's unless you get some kind of mega-deal ... 2nd hand perhaps.