Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Realtek ALC850 on-board, versus Creative SB Live PCI

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post

    Realtek ALC850 on-board, versus Creative SB Live PCI

    Do people think gaming performance and framerates would take a hit if I ditched my SBL PCI card and moved to using the onboard 'Karajan Audio' (Realtek 850) on my DFI-SLI-DR?

    The Realtek chipset supports DirectSound and EAX1/2 (and I think 5.1 through optical), so is there any other reason for me to be using my only free PCI slot in on my system, and not giving these 6800GT's more room to breath?

    I know with cheapo onboard audios, the processing is taken over by the CPU, but to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how much work my current Creative card does or passes to the CPU anyway...


    Advice would be much appreciated,
    S.

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Rule Britannia!!! (Unfortunately essex!)
    Posts
    1,222
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    Doubt that much tbh.

    The SB Live is quite an old card in fact I think the onboard prob has a smaller overhead than the SB Live!
    .: Predator :.


    - Shuttle SN25P - A64 3700+ San Diego @ 2.7GHz - 1GB PQI Ultra DDR - X850XT - Asus DVD-ROM - 200GB Maxtor + 2*80GB SATAII -

  3. #3
    HEXUS webmaster Steve's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Bristol
    Posts
    14,268
    Thanks
    286
    Thanked
    828 times in 468 posts
    • Steve's system
      • CPU:
      • Intel i3-350M 2.27GHz
      • Memory:
      • 8GiB Crucial DDR3
      • Storage:
      • 320GB HDD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Intel HD3000
      • Operating System:
      • Ubuntu 11.10
    Well I ditched my Live for the Realtek codec on my A8N SLI - the nVidia drivers work best but cause a problem in VLC, so I'm on the ASUS packaged Realtek drivers for now, which don't support surround sound too well.
    PHP Code:
    $s = new signature();
    $s->sarcasm()->intellect()->font('Courier New')->display(); 

  4. #4
    "You're my wife now!" Ravens Nest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    The Pandemonium Carnival
    Posts
    1,552
    Thanks
    26
    Thanked
    43 times in 24 posts
    I couldnt find any benchmarks on the soundblaster live vs ALC850
    But this benchmark shows the CPU overhead for Soundblaster live! (24bit) against the ALC850 and tho CPU utilisation is lower with the live! it isnt by very much. (And you've got to remember this is basically the audigy 2, not the old live!)

    Take a look for yourself it's at the bottom of the page
    http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2358

    My brother had the old Soundblaster Live! Value and the difference in sound quality between the live! and his new K8N nforce 3 ultra motherboard with ALC850 codec is staggering. (The ALC850 is much better )

    Hope this helps
    "Mmm... I want you for my wife!"
    "Autom...Sprow...Canna...Tik banna...Sandwol...But no sera smee?"
    "Of course you can. We would love for you to join us."

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    Thanks for everyones comments - it looks like a viable solution to ditch the SBLPCI then, but for one thing... I'm also gonna lose the GamePort - which means without some sort of USB<>GAMEPORT adaptor (if such a thing exists), I'm not gonna be able to use my MS FF Wheel or Joystick..

    lol, S.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Rule Britannia!!! (Unfortunately essex!)
    Posts
    1,222
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    Check at maplins as I believe they do one I know microsoft did for their pro joystick
    .: Predator :.


    - Shuttle SN25P - A64 3700+ San Diego @ 2.7GHz - 1GB PQI Ultra DDR - X850XT - Asus DVD-ROM - 200GB Maxtor + 2*80GB SATAII -

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    712
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    1 time in 1 post
    Quote Originally Posted by Firelord
    Check at maplins as I believe they do one I know microsoft did for their pro joystick
    Thanks for the trail, geezer, unfortunatley after a little more reading it seems that the Maplin adaptors (indeed any that I could find anywhere) either:


    > Do not allow the controller model to be correctly identified by XP, only as a generic MS Joypad, or
    > Do not parse Force Feedback information for some reason.


    Some article I breezed over said it was because the forcefeedback controllers used the extra pins of the gameport, not available with USB, to carry FF data - but you're right - I'm sure MS released a USB FF Wheel a couple years after mine, so they must have made it work somehow..


    Hmmm.. S.

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Reading, Berkshire
    Posts
    1,229
    Thanks
    57
    Thanked
    53 times in 34 posts
    • tfboy's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI X470 Gaming Plus
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 7 2700
      • Memory:
      • 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX)
      • Storage:
      • 512GB Crucial SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 560 Ti
      • PSU:
      • Corsair RM 650W
      • Case:
      • CM Silencio 550
      • Operating System:
      • W10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • HP LP2475w + Dell 2001FP
      • Internet:
      • VM 350Mb
    I'm quite interested in people's views, particularly in light of the MSI K8N which has SB Live 24 codec on board. Is this noticably better than the 850 variety? I quite like my sound and after having a play with an Asus A8N SLI, I was truly dissapointed with the "noise" induced by the hardware such as mouse moving on the screen, cd drive access, etc.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    Rochester, NY
    Posts
    1,041
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked
    8 times in 8 posts
    • oralpain's system
      • Motherboard:
      • DFI "Blood Iron" P35-T2RL
      • CPU:
      • Intel Pentium E2140 @ 400x8 (3.2GHz), 1.375v
      • Memory:
      • Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 CL4 @ 500MHz (DDR 1000), 4-4-4-12-T2, 2.3v
      • Storage:
      • 2x Seagate ST3250410AS
      • Graphics card(s):
      • NVIDIA 8800GTS (G92) 512 @ 783MHz core, 1836MHz shader, 1053Mhz memory, stock cooling 70% fan speed
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic SS-500GB
      • Case:
      • Antec P182, with some small modifications
      • Monitor(s):
      • ASUS VW222U
      • Internet:
      • Time Warner "Road Runner" Cable - 16 megabit downstream, 1 megabit upstream
    The original live! and live! 5.1 have pritty poor cpu utilization, in most cases the ALC850 will be better. I've tested both.

    Sound quality on the live also won't be much better, unless you are useing KX drivers or drivers that allow you to swap the front and rear out puts so you can use the better DAC.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Creative Soundblaster Live Value connections
    By poindextermatic in forum Help! Quick Relief From Tech Headaches
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 23-02-2005, 10:57 PM
  2. MSI's nForce4 SLI board has Creative Audio
    By Steve in forum HEXUS News
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-12-2004, 12:28 PM
  3. cheap pci e board
    By Pete in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 11-11-2004, 12:28 PM
  4. Creative Soundblaster Live! - any cop?
    By sybrows in forum Help! Quick Relief From Tech Headaches
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-06-2004, 11:01 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •