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    ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    https://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-arm-1140639/
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...vidia-interest

    Any customer trying to acquire Arm would trigger regulatory scrutiny. Other companies using its technology would likely oppose a deal and demand assurances that a new owner would continue to provide equal access to Arm’s instruction set. Such concerns resulted in a neutral company -- SoftBank -- buying Arm the last time it was for sale.

    I have mixed feelings over this. The problem is Nvidia,doesn't actually have a good history of playing nice with competitors. It also leads to some other problems. ARM has been significantly more sucessful than X86,due to the way its licensed,and more importantly its ease of licensing. You can see this with X86,which is very limited in who can actually design CPUs around it.

    The other problem is if ARM becomes US owned it is under US regulatory insight and export restrictions,so far more red tape in licensing designs. Long-term I can see countries moving away from ARM then if there is more red tape around licensing them.I can see open source stuff such as RISC V starting to gain more traction. OFC our lot allowed ARM to become foreign owned,just like Imagination Technologies. Softbank is already going to keep some parts of ARM,so another UK based company is slowly being broken up into smaller and smaller pieces.
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    https://www.androidauthority.com/nvidia-arm-1140639/
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...vidia-interest




    I have mixed feelings over this. The problem is Nvidia,doesn't actually have a good history of playing nice with competitors. It also leads to some other problems. ARM has been significantly more sucessful than X86,due to the way its licensed,and more importantly its ease of licensing. You can see this with X86,which is very limited in who can actually design CPUs around it.

    The other problem is if ARM becomes US owned it is under US regulatory insight and export restrictions,so far more red tape in licensing designs. Long-term I can see countries moving away from ARM then if there is more red tape around licensing them.I can see open source stuff such as RISC V starting to gain more traction. OFC our lot allowed ARM to become foreign owned,just like Imagination Technologies. Softbank is already going to keep some parts of ARM,so another UK based company is slowly being broken up into smaller and smaller pieces.
    I remember thinking it was so short sighted when a UK company "ARM" was sold to "Softbank" a Chinese company and this happened straight after it was announced we are leaving the E.U. and the pound started tanking (Perfect timing) So a British company which would have helped the U.K. economy was sold off.

    I feel anything that gives this country a technological edge should be kept at all costs. (actually any company that makes something no-one else has should be kept in-house so to speak.)
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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    I'm not expert in this field, but I do wonder if the thought process was along the lines of letting them buy it, instead of having the Chinese steal it anyway and get zero money.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    Quote Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk View Post
    I'm not expert in this field, but I do wonder if the thought process was along the lines of letting them buy it, instead of having the Chinese steal it anyway and get zero money.
    Some of the largest ARM licensees are Hisilicon,Rockchip and Mediatek. Its much cheaper for them to license the new core designs.

    Anyway,China has MIPs derived designs,and due to Apple, China essentially owns MIPs. Apple on purpose tried to bankrupt UK based Imagination Technologies,to hire their engineers away and get their IP for cheap,but they sold themselves to a Chinese consortium.They also have started to develop their own CPUs based on OpenSPARC:
    https://technode.com/2020/02/20/sili...omegrown-cpus/
    https://www.nextplatform.com/2016/07...scale-systems/

    They are basically designing new CPUs based on at least 4~5 different uarchs. One of them is RISC V.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    most of the time taking over other companies is is to put hands on the patents, wonder if thats the case here

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    The purchase is looking more and more likely now. There are calls for protection of jobs in the UK by labour and for the headquarters to remain in the UK https://www.ft.com/content/9a8df498-...2-7cdb650d89cc.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    cack. but the mistake was letting it be sold in the first place.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    The founders of ARM have voiced some legitimate concerns. This means ARM is now subject to stricter export approval.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54142567



    ARM: UK-based chip designer sold to US firm Nvidia

    UK-based computer chip designer ARM Holdings is being sold to the American graphics chip specialist Nvidia.

    The deal values ARM at $40bn (£31.2bn), four years after it was bought by Japanese conglomerate Softbank for $32bn. ARM's technology is at the heart of most smartphones, among many other devices.Nvidia has promised to keep the business based in the UK, to hire more staff, and to retain ARM's brand. It added that the deal would create "the premier computing company for the age of artificial intelligence" (AI). "ARM will remain headquartered in Cambridge," said Nvidia's chief executive Jensen Huang. "We will expand on this great site and build a world-class AI research facility, supporting developments in healthcare, life sciences, robotics, self-driving cars and other fields."A senior government source told the BBC that there would not be a move to block the sale, but that conditions could be imposed on the takeover.

    'Meaningless' promises
    Softbank made commitments to secure jobs and keep ARM's headquarters in the UK until September next year. "So far, when you read the announcement coming from Nvidia they said they will honour that Softbank has made at the time," said Sonja Laud, chief investment officer at Legal & General Investment Management."But with the expiry about to happen and obviously the Brexit negotiations under way it will be very interesting to see how this develops in the future."This appears to address concerns that British jobs would be lost and decision-making shifted to the US. Last week, the Labour Party had urged the government to intervene.But two of ARM's co-founders have raised other issues about the takeover. Hermann Hauser and Tudor Brown had suggested ARM should remain "neutral", rather than be owned by a company like Nvidia, which produces its own processors. The concern is that there would be a conflict of interest since ARM's clients would become dependent on a business with which many also compete for sales.

    Moreover, the two co-founders also claimed that once ARM was owned by an American firm, Washington could try to block Chinese companies from using its knowhow as part of a wider trade clash between the countries.Hermann Hauser (left) and Tudor Brown (right) have warned the takeover would have negative consequences

    "If ARM becomes a US subsidiary of a US company, it falls under the Cfius [Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States] regulations," Mr Hauser told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. "[That] means that if hundreds of UK companies that incorporate ARM's [technology] in their products, want to sell it, and export it to anywhere in the world including China - which is a major market - the decision on whether they will be allowed to export it will be made in the White House and not in Downing Street." He added that he believed the pledge to retain and increase the number of UK jobs was "meaningless" unless UK ministers stepped in to make it legally enforceable. Nvidia has said that it intends to maintain the "global customer neutrality" on which ARM's success rests.

    Chip creators
    ARM creates computer chip designs that others then customise to their own ends. It also develops instruction sets, which define how software controls processors.
    It is based in Cambridge but also has offices across the world, including a joint venture in Shenzhen, China. Hundreds of companies license its innovations including Apple, Samsung, Huawei and Qualcomm. To date, ARM says 180 billion chips have been made based on its solutions. When Softbank acquired ARM, it promised to keep the company's headquarters in the UK and to increase the number of local jobs, which it did. Softbank's founder Masayoshi Son described the firm as being a "crystal ball" that would help him predict where tech was heading. But losses on other investments, including the office rental company WeWork, prompted a rethink. California-headquartered N vidia overtook Intel to become the world's most valuable chipmaker in July. Until now, it has specialised in high-end graphics processing units (GPUs). These are commonly used by gamers to deliver more detailed visuals, as well as by professionals for tasks including scientific research, machine learning, and cryptocurrency "mining". Nvidia is also one of ARM's clients, using its designs to create its line-up of Tegra central processing units (CPUs). Under the terms of the deal, Nvidia will pay Softbank $21.5bn in its own stock and $12bn in cash. It will follow with up to a further $5bn in cash or stock if certain targets are met.
    Nvidia will also issue $1.5bn in equity to ARM's employees.


    Server chips
    Mr Huang has already said that one of the changes he wants to make is to accelerate development of ARM's designs for CPUs used in computer servers - a rapidly growing sector.
    Amazon is among companies that are already betting on the tech. The use of internet-based services has led to ever-growing demand for computer servers.But experts say one risk Nvidia faces is that the takeover could encourage ARM's wider client list to shift focus to a rival type of chip technology, which lags behind in terms of adoption but has the benefit of not being controlled by one company. "ARM is facing growing competition from RISC-V, an open-source architecture," wrote CCS Insight's Geoff Blaber in a recent research note. "If its partners believed that ARM's integrity and independence was compromised, it would accelerate the growth of RISC-V and in the process devalue ARM."

    Mr Blaber also suggested regulators might block the deal. "This process will take months if not years with a high chance of failure," he told the BBC. It's a deal which the man who founded ARM says is a disaster. And many in the UK's technology industry will agree with Hermann Hauser.
    He opposed the 2016 sale of the chip designer to Softbank but accepted that the Japanese firm stood by its guarantees to boost employment and research in Cambridge. But a takeover by Nvidia, one of the many firms that licences ARM's designs, appears to pose a threat to its business model - why will its hundreds of other customers now have faith that they will have equal access to its technology?

    In recent days leading figures in the Cambridge technology sector have lobbied Downing Street, calling for ministers to intervene to bring ARM back under UK ownership. There have been signs that the government is considering a more active industrial policy. Dominic Cummings, who has talked of the need for the UK to have a trillion dollar tech company, is leading the drive for a more interventionist approach. Now, with Hermann Hauser and others warning that this deal will make Britain a US vassal state, the government is under pressure to step in and ensure that control over vital home-grown technology is not lost to a foreign power.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    <Insert your preferred expletive here>.

    Unfortunately I'm not surprised. I expect it's only a matter of time until it's fully rolled into NVIDIA and a shell of its former self due to being subject to the US regulations as mentioned above.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    I bet this is going to have wide ranging implications in the long run. ARM has licensed their designs to so many folks, I wonder if NVIDIA will keep that concept in the long run.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    Nvidia: Lower your Shields and surrender your chips. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

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    Re: ARM to be purchased by Nvidia??

    The investigation is still in place which is normal for company purchase of that much $$$

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