Intel massive price drops on Cometlake CPUs
These really change the competitive landscape a bit IMHO,and makes Intel a contender again.
6C/12T Core i5 10400F ~ £130 to £140
https://www.cclonline.com/product/31...ooler/CPU0651/
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...12mb-cache-65w
https://www.ebuyer.com/974720-intel-...-bx8070110400f
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-...3480567&sr=8-2
The Core i5 10400 with an IGP is around £150.Comes with a cooler.
6C/12T Core i5 10600KF ~£185
https://www.cclonline.com/product/31...ooler/CPU0653/
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte..._across_google
https://www.ebuyer.com/974715-intel-...bx8070110600kf
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-...3480075&sr=8-1
The Core i5 10600K with an IGP is around £200 now. Needs a cooler. Looks excellent value against the Ryzen 5 5600X which is technically £280 but usually over £300 currently.
8C/16T Core i7 10700F ~£240 to £250
https://www.cclonline.com/product/31...ooler/CPU0665/
https://www.ebuyer.com/974862-intel-...-bx8070110700f
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-...3480097&sr=8-1
Comes with a cooler.
8C/16T Core i7 10700KF ~ £280 to £290
https://www.cclonline.com/product/31...ooler/CPU0655/
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...16mb-cache-65w
https://www.ebuyer.com/974713-intel-...bx8070110700kf
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-i7-10...3480175&sr=8-1
10C/20T Core i9 10850K ~ £360 to £380
https://www.cclonline.com/product/32...ooler/CPU0673/
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...cache-125w-oem
https://www.ebuyer.com/991553-intel-...-bx8070110850k
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-...3480323&sr=8-1
Intel has stated the H470/Z490 motherboards should get Rocketlake compatibility,so even if you have to factor in the motherboard and cooler costs the sub £300 range looks solid value.
ATM,at least the Ryzen 5 3600 is at around £180~£190,but is slower in gaming. However,the Ryzen 5 5600X even if faster than the Core i5 10600KF,is £280 if you are lucky and is trending at well over £300 at many retailers.
The Ryzen 7 3700X is around £280~£300 and is still a solid contender,but the Core i7 10700F is cheaper,and the Core i7 10700KF is faster in games.
The Ryzen 7 5800X only make some sense if you can get if for under £400 which happens on and off,especially in some of the bundle deals. However,at £400 its overpriced.
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It's all quite interesting.
Intel used to never reduce prices in a generation or for old stock.
Now they seem to be doing it left, right, and centre!
On the other hand as AMD discovered with selling old Ryzen 1000 and 2000 stock, if you price the old stock too low people will expect those price when the next gen launches. Like on HUKD whenever a HP MicroServer deal comes up: without the cashback making them £120 or so nobody want to upgrade from their old ones.
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kompukare
It's all quite interesting.
Intel used to never reduce prices in a generation or for old stock.
Now they seem to be doing it left, right, and centre!
On the other hand as AMD discovered with selling old Ryzen 1000 and 2000 stock, if you price the old stock too low people will expect those price when the next gen launches. Like on HUKD whenever a HP MicroServer deal comes up: without the cashback making them £120 or so nobody want to upgrade from their old ones.
They did do it during the Core 2 days especially when the Phenom II was out. So its been quite a while,but ATM the AMD prices don't make sense especially for a mainstream PC builder. £100 here or there is a lot,especially considering how much GPUs cost,and that is simply better spent on the GPU.
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They're interesting and worth consideration but to me the prices simply bring them in line to what they should be rather than being some sort of bargain. The 3600 at £190 for example is comparable, is far more efficient and offers (imo) a superior upgrade path to 16 core Zen 3 or Zen 3+ parts should you need it in future. Prices for other 3000s series CPUs are also comparable to these new Intel prices. The most interesting parts to me are the ones with IGP especially 10400 since GPUs are hard to come by (even low end) and AMD APUs are hard to find (or overpriced) so these parts seem decent value now for a nippy office PC build that may not need discrete graphics.
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Zhaoman
They're interesting and worth consideration but to me the prices simply bring them in line to what they should be rather than being some sort of bargain. The 3600 at £190 for example is comparable, is far more efficient and offers (imo) a superior upgrade path to 16 core Zen 3 or Zen 3+ parts should you need it in future. Prices for other 3000s series CPUs are also comparable to these new Intel prices. The most interesting parts to me are the ones with IGP especially 10400 since GPUs are hard to come by (even low end) so these parts seem decent value now for a nippy office PC build that may not need discrete graphics.
The Core i5 power consumption isn't that bad,as 14NM is only a bit crap when pushed beyond its sweetspot. This is why the Core i9 CPUs with Thermal Velocity Boost look poor. For example the Core i5 10600K once tweaked,especially WRT to certain areas shows a large improvement in performance. At stock clockspeeds you are looking at a package power of 80~90W for a Core i5. This is comparable to Zen+ IIRC. Zen2/Zen3 does have the issue of uneven heat sources due to the MCM,which can cause its own issues too,so yes less heat but its not evenly distributed in single chiplet models. Its why some of the 8C models can be a bit toasty.
The issue here is the Ryzen 5 3600 is slower overall,especially in less optimised titles. In a number of older titles you are looking at 15% to 20% better minimums overall.
Its not just core IPC or clockspeed,but latency too(which is the place where Zen3 improved in). The same goes with audio benchmark,PS,etc. There are games where I know for certain a Core i5 10600K will quicker than my Ryzen 7 3700X in and that is just at stock.
In fact as GN and HUB pointed out the Core i5 10600K was a faster part for gaming than my Ryzen 7 3700X. But they had an issue it was a 6C vs an 8C,and the Ryzen 5 3600 was recommended because it was cheaper.
But now its not cheaper,its basically a worse part for gaming.
If anything the Zen2 prices have gone up. Plus you have to consider H470/Z490 are compatible with Rocketlake,and that brings PCI-E 4.0,etc. Also even if AMD technically supports more cores,one has to question whether there is any realworld point to it. Just look at the streetprices - I can't see a 12C Zen3 or 16C CPU being that cheap for a long time.
AMD quite clearly wants to emulate traditional Intel/Nvidia pricing - they don't want to be seen as cheap. This was exactly what happened during the Athlon 64 era.
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Also,something interesting HUB did recently with a Core i5 10400F and a Ryzen 5 3600 and paired both with a RX6800:
https://www.techspot.com/article/218...on-6800-combo/
I just looked at titles which were at under 120FPS,because above that I think it is academic for the most part.
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That is the problem - a Core i5 10400F trades blows and is a low as £128 currently. That is around £50~£60 cheaper than a Ryzen 5 3600. The Core i5 10600KF has another 12% extra clockspeed,and can be tweaked even more. The issue is none of these are particularly older titles too,which tend to favour Intel even more.
We need to appreciate the Ryzen 5 3600 recommendations were in a market where the Intel Core i5 CPUs were £70~£100 more. It wasn't because they were similar speed,it was because they were most of the speed for a much lower price.
The thing is Zen2 does need a price cut now. Its price is trending higher than 12 months ago!
This is the same problem with their GPUs - its easier to get a Nvidia GPU at less of a ripoff price than an AMD one.
It shows you what prioritising consoles has done for their DIY pricing structures.
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I think a key factor here is that intel has it's own fab's and is still using 14nm, meaning they are not having to deal with the fab space fight, except maybe some legacy production for service contracts
must admit the 10400f looks very tempting
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This certainly does. I was originally planning a Ryzen based replacement for my PC when prices calm down. I might have a rummage through motherboards and see what ones that are reasonably prices adn have 2.5 GBe for intel CPU's are around. Less wait.
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This certainly does. I was originally planning a Ryzen based replacement for my PC when prices calm down. I might have a rummage through motherboards and see what ones that are reasonably prices adn have 2.5 GBe for intel CPU's are around. Less wait.
The Realtek RTL8125/8125B apparently can be hit and miss on AM4 motherboards and Intel's i225V had problems on Z490 motherboards,so I would check if these problems have been solved.
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The Ryzen 7 5800X only make some sense if you can get if for under £400 which happens on and off,especially in some of the bundle deals. However,at £400 its overpriced.
I managed to get one for £375, but looking at that price list.... it is very good to be fair!
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Competition is always good for the consumers.
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The Realtek RTL8125/8125B apparently can be hit and miss on AM4 motherboards and Intel's i225V had problems on Z490 motherboards,so I would check if these problems have been solved.
Just did a quick check - it looks like some i225v problems were only solved by a hardware update - the i225V2! However some other sites suggest that boards were recalled and the later revisions with problems were solved by a driver update. I guess this kind of problem is likely with so few consumers using 2.5 GBe switches currently.
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Just did a quick check - it looks like some i225v problems were only solved by a hardware update - the i225V2! However some other sites suggest that boards were recalled and the later revisions with problems were solved by a driver update. I guess this kind of problem is likely with so few consumers using 2.5 GBe switches currently.
Another nail in Intel's reputation of solid networking then.
Not that I know if any vendor is constituently better, but I still like to repeat the issues I had with an Intel 7260 (I know WiFi isn't proper networking...), a ThinkPad T540p and Windows 10 where that card only predated Win10 by one year but the drivers were such a mess I replaced it with thatever Realtek was in the BIOS whitelist (apparently the driver has now been fixed, but don't see any reason to swap the card back especially since I had a lot of trouble with the mini aerial connector that M.2 specs despite the older slightly larger connector being small enough and far more robust).
