Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

  1. #1
    Senior Member joshwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sheffield, UK
    Posts
    4,842
    Thanks
    123
    Thanked
    67 times in 62 posts
    • joshwa's system
      • Motherboard:
      • PC Chips M577 AT/ATX
      • CPU:
      • AMD K6-2 500Mhz
      • Memory:
      • 128mb PC100 SDRAM
      • Storage:
      • 8GB Fujitsu
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 AGP (16mb)
      • PSU:
      • ATX 500watt
      • Case:
      • Midi Tower AT
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 98 SE
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22" TFT Widescreen

    New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Hello,

    This is the first time I've built a decent system for myself for a while...

    I've gone for a Ryzen 5 3600, MSI X470 Gaming Plus Max (ATX), 16GB (DDR4, 8gb x2, 3600mhz, CL16), a Corsair MP510 480GB (WOW!)… (a GTX 1060 will be added from my other PC)

    And overall, it's fast, and impressive, however, it's LOUD. It's like travelling back in time to when PCs were loud.

    I've been using an i5-4590 system that is really quiet, even under load, and now the Ryzen 5 3600 is so loud when you actually put it under load.

    I've switched out the stock cooler (which is a joke!!), for a Ryzen Wraith Black (I think), with a copper core, and it keeps the CPU temp to 80C max, and 4ghz. (I have a 120mm out fan, and a 120mm in fan, both remain fairly quiet in comparison)

    But it's SO loud, it's crazy! (with the side panel on, and the tower on the floor, it's not extremely loud, but it is much louder than I'm used to)

    Will this problem be fixed as soon as I replace the heatsink with an aftermarket 3rd party one?

    Thanks

    Josh

    (sorry if this should be in a different subforum)
    Last edited by joshwa; 05-03-2021 at 08:43 PM.

  2. #2
    Moosing about! CAT-THE-FIFTH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Not here
    Posts
    31,621
    Thanks
    3,757
    Thanked
    5,060 times in 3,912 posts
    • CAT-THE-FIFTH's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Less E-PEEN
      • CPU:
      • Massive E-PEEN
      • Memory:
      • RGB E-PEEN
      • Storage:
      • Not in any order
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVEN BIGGER E-PEEN
      • PSU:
      • OVERSIZED
      • Case:
      • UNDERSIZED
      • Operating System:
      • DOS 6.22
      • Monitor(s):
      • NOT USUALLY ON....WHEN I POST
      • Internet:
      • FUNCTIONAL

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Mine wasn't too bad(bearing noise was noticeable though),but make sure your case airflow is decent otherwise any CPU fan will need to work harder. I would probably consider adding another 120MM intake or another 120MM exhaust. You can also muck around with the fan curves for the CPU cooler in the BIOS.

  3. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (11-03-2021)

  4. #3
    Senior Member cptwhite_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    4,122
    Thanks
    473
    Thanked
    577 times in 393 posts
    • cptwhite_uk's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450i Gaming plus Wifi
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb DRR4 Trident Z 3200 C16
      • Storage:
      • Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 1Tb NVME SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • RTX 3060 Ti 8Gb
      • PSU:
      • Corsair SF600 Gold
      • Case:
      • Ncase M1 v6
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF (2560x1440 144Hz Nano IPS)
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 350Mbps

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    What's the case type, how many fans and type?

    Might be time to upgrade the case ande get some decent cooling in the PC? There's some very nice cases for ~ £100 or less these days:

    Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact (£100)
    Fractla Deisgn Define 7 Compact (£110)
    Corsair 4000D Airflow (£80)
    Phanteks P360A (£80, at Box)
    NZXT H510 / H510i (i version with integrated RGB lighting). I'd recommend NZXT cases for RGB, their CAM software and integration is great (£75 / £100)


    I'd recommend getting Arctic Cooling P12 PWM PST fans for the case (£5 each on Scan, or Noctua NF-A12 if you want to get the absolute best), and a Deepcool Gammaxx GTE v2 Black for the processor (£27 at Scan).

    In BIOS sure 'Smart Fan Control' is enabled, under the advanced settings. If you're plugging 3 pin fans in to 4 pin headers on the motherboard, make sure fan type is set to 3 pin or DC / Voltage control. If 4 pin fans, set to PWM mode. It should work on Auto, but if they're ramping up to 100% then you can try manually setting the correct type.

  5. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (11-03-2021)

  6. #4
    Senior Member joshwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sheffield, UK
    Posts
    4,842
    Thanks
    123
    Thanked
    67 times in 62 posts
    • joshwa's system
      • Motherboard:
      • PC Chips M577 AT/ATX
      • CPU:
      • AMD K6-2 500Mhz
      • Memory:
      • 128mb PC100 SDRAM
      • Storage:
      • 8GB Fujitsu
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 AGP (16mb)
      • PSU:
      • ATX 500watt
      • Case:
      • Midi Tower AT
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 98 SE
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22" TFT Widescreen

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Thanks,

    The case is a XigmaTek? - it's got a 120mm rear fan (Corsair), and a 120mm Xigmatek front fan, the front of the case has a mesh - so airflow should be good, and I've got these set to be fairly quiet. On Smart control, they ramped up to be quite loud.

    The system had the same CPU temperature when I was testing the system / setting it up originally - putting it into the case doesn't seem to have made much difference to the temperatures.

    I think the CPU cooler may simply need replacing. Thanks for the recommendations - the prices of the fans and cooler appeal to me

    Re cases: If there's a case available with multiple USB ports on the front, that would appeal, but most seem to have 2 USB ports, which is a little annoying, especially if the case is under a desk.

    Thanks
    Josh

  7. #5
    Super Moderator Jonj1611's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    4,837
    Thanks
    1,302
    Thanked
    742 times in 569 posts

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    I have a Dark Rock Pro 4 and its virtually silent and will keep the cpu nice and cool. One to think about if you are thinking of getting a new cooler
    Jon

  8. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (06-03-2021)

  9. #6
    Senior Member cptwhite_uk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    4,122
    Thanks
    473
    Thanked
    577 times in 393 posts
    • cptwhite_uk's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450i Gaming plus Wifi
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 16Gb DRR4 Trident Z 3200 C16
      • Storage:
      • Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 1Tb NVME SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • RTX 3060 Ti 8Gb
      • PSU:
      • Corsair SF600 Gold
      • Case:
      • Ncase M1 v6
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF (2560x1440 144Hz Nano IPS)
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 350Mbps

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Given how cheap the Arctic P12's are, it's just ano brainer to use as many as your case will accomodate, ideally 2 intake and 2 exhaust. They can even link together so the two at the front only require 1 fan header, and the 2 at the rear / top can use a single header. You might even be able to get them all running off a single header, cable length allowing.

  10. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (06-03-2021)

  11. #7
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,335
    Thanks
    714
    Thanked
    1,406 times in 1,188 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Linux, 1TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 33 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb/20Mb VDSL

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    I don't know how good or bad the MSI fan control is, but most motherboards I find myself tweaking it for home use.

    The box coolers are fine for office use where the environment is quite noisy, but the fans just aren't big enough for home use where I really like to see a 120mm job to get the noise down.

    Anything that uses direct touch heatpipes to get the heat out to a 120mm or bigger fan should be an improvement. I'm on an eSports tower cooler here, but often just cough up for a Noctua these days.

  12. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (06-03-2021)

  13. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    Lincolnshire
    Posts
    136
    Thanks
    22
    Thanked
    5 times in 5 posts
    • Duckboy79's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Strix B550-E
      • CPU:
      • AMD 5800x
      • Memory:
      • 32Gb 4x8 3600mhz CL16 Klevv
      • Storage:
      • 2x m.2 500Gb, 2x SSD 250 Gb, 1 HHD 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Rx 580 8Gb with NZXT G12 + H55 Cooling
      • PSU:
      • Cooler Master MWE 750w V2 Gold
      • Case:
      • Sharkoon
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • EG 1440p 144hz Adaptive Sync

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    I have a 5800x, its a very hot cpu (due to aggressive boost speeds) but a cooler master 212 black (push and pull) tamed it, put it this way my fish tank is louder!
    It's only about £30 + an extra fan, so a 3600 should be a breeze to cool and be quiet.

  14. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (06-03-2021)

  15. #9
    Senior Member joshwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sheffield, UK
    Posts
    4,842
    Thanks
    123
    Thanked
    67 times in 62 posts
    • joshwa's system
      • Motherboard:
      • PC Chips M577 AT/ATX
      • CPU:
      • AMD K6-2 500Mhz
      • Memory:
      • 128mb PC100 SDRAM
      • Storage:
      • 8GB Fujitsu
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 AGP (16mb)
      • PSU:
      • ATX 500watt
      • Case:
      • Midi Tower AT
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 98 SE
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22" TFT Widescreen

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Thanks for all the replies, I've ordered a BeQuiet Pure Rock 2, which I think should do the job, and I can always add another fan if needed

    For the time being I've set the max temp for the CPU to 78 in the Bios, and it's running the cpu at 3.9ghz, which is fine for now.

  16. #10
    Super Moderator Jonj1611's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    4,837
    Thanks
    1,302
    Thanked
    742 times in 569 posts

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Good cooler, will be nice and quiet as well, make sure you set up a fan curve, my system is pretty much silent now due to lower speed on the fans when not much going on
    Jon

  17. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (11-03-2021)

  18. #11
    Senior Member joshwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sheffield, UK
    Posts
    4,842
    Thanks
    123
    Thanked
    67 times in 62 posts
    • joshwa's system
      • Motherboard:
      • PC Chips M577 AT/ATX
      • CPU:
      • AMD K6-2 500Mhz
      • Memory:
      • 128mb PC100 SDRAM
      • Storage:
      • 8GB Fujitsu
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 AGP (16mb)
      • PSU:
      • ATX 500watt
      • Case:
      • Midi Tower AT
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 98 SE
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22" TFT Widescreen

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    I've installed the BeQuiet Rock 2 and it's working well, around 70C under full load, and much quieter than the other cooler.

    It's running at around 4.0-4.1ghz all cores on Auto settings I think. I've also set it to +100 (over 4.2ghz) if it feels like it (on some of the cores)

    I also have XMP switched on, and the ram is at 3600mhz.

    But basically I'm finding all of the options and settings kind of confusing. Is there a quick guide or basic guide on how to setup the system for optimum performance? Or should I just leave the system to manage itself?

  19. #12
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,335
    Thanks
    714
    Thanked
    1,406 times in 1,188 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Linux, 1TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 33 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 80Mb/20Mb VDSL

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Quote Originally Posted by joshwa View Post
    Or should I just leave the system to manage itself?
    It depends on your workload, but overall Ryzen is pretty good at tuning itself. A decent heatsink is I think the biggest tweak you can do, the cpu will now boost clock speeds further and if airflow is good enough can just stay boosted.

    You might want to look into memory tuning, but again you are most of the way there with your XMP profile so there won't be much more to extract and I probably wouldn't consider it worth the hassle of occasional system instability while you dial it in.

    It is possible to tune an overclock for maximum all core performance, but at the expense of heat and reduced single core performance which in my case just makes the machine worse.

    Personally, I would just enjoy the machine as it is, unless tweaking settings is part of the hobby Gamers Nexus must have some videos on memory tuning, and I'm sure someone here who uses it will step in to describe how to use the Ryzen memory calculator better than any ham fisted attempt I would make at describing it.

  20. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (11-03-2021)

  21. #13
    Keep it sexy Zhaoman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    1,527
    Thanks
    234
    Thanked
    126 times in 106 posts

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Pretty much what Dances said, imo there's very little point tuning the CPU. The built-in boost already works great and various tests have shown it is almost always limited by temperature rather than power limit or other factors. So if you have a decent cooler then you are pretty much getting the most out of your CPU already. Manual overclocking is only useful for squeezing out a tiny bit more multi-core performance but you will lose all the benefits of the single core boost. While we're on the CPU, if you still want a quieter system then you can try undervolting the CPU. Almost all Ryzen CPUs I've seen can easily handle a -0.075V offset off the bat (most can probably handle -0.1V but be careful with stability) and, because the boost algorithm tends to be temperature constrained, applying an undervolt in most cases actually gains you more boost performance whilst also lowering temperatures (and noise).

    Just by setting XMP/DOCP profile you are probably getting most of the measurable gains in performance (whether they are noticeable is another question). There is a DRAM Calculator for Ryzen tool that gives you easy pre-configured speeds and timings based on your RAM and chipset that you could use if you wanted to squeeze the last 1% a bit easier than trial and error yourself.

  22. Received thanks from:

    joshwa (11-03-2021)

  23. #14
    Senior Member Ulti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    2,048
    Thanks
    745
    Thanked
    230 times in 195 posts
    • Ulti's system
      • Motherboard:
      • AsRock B450M Pro4
      • CPU:
      • AMD Ryzen 5 3600
      • Memory:
      • Team Group Delta 32GB
      • Storage:
      • Corsair MP510 960GB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Palit GTX 1070 8GB
      • PSU:
      • SilverStone SX500-LG V2.0
      • Case:
      • Jonsbo UMX3 TG Version
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • AOC Agon AG322QC4 31.5"
      • Internet:
      • Plusnet Fibre Extra 80/20

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Just my two pennies and not everyone will agree but I have my CPU and case fans to be fixed at 800 RPM because that's almost silent to me and neither my CPU or GPU will overheat.

    Prior to this, the worst thing (wrt noise) was when a CPU would randomly ramp up and your cooler fan would try cool it by spinning up for a bit and this would kind of happen throughout the day. CPUs will always have variable loads on it just due to the amount of stuff going on in the background so the only way to counter that was a fixed RPM. For me, I find that you kind of get used to a constant low hum whereas CPU fans spinning up and down is annoying as heck!

    GPU wise however, I do leave on default because it doesn't really get noticeably loud (I don't think the 2 92mm fans it has ever goes above 900ish RPM) and it only turns on above 50C which really only happens when I'm gaming unlike how CPUs can constantly force your fan to spin up and down. The only time it spins up and down a bit is when I've just closed a game and it's cooling down and whilst I do notice that, it's only for like 30s or so at most before it goes back to its silent state.

  24. #15
    Senior Member joshwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sheffield, UK
    Posts
    4,842
    Thanks
    123
    Thanked
    67 times in 62 posts
    • joshwa's system
      • Motherboard:
      • PC Chips M577 AT/ATX
      • CPU:
      • AMD K6-2 500Mhz
      • Memory:
      • 128mb PC100 SDRAM
      • Storage:
      • 8GB Fujitsu
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 AGP (16mb)
      • PSU:
      • ATX 500watt
      • Case:
      • Midi Tower AT
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 98 SE
      • Monitor(s):
      • 22" TFT Widescreen

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    I've set mine to ECO mode (65W, 55C under 100% load, cpu mostly at 3800mhz, and boosts when needed), and like you suggest, I've set my other fans to under 1000rpm so that they're silent. I also added some soundproofing to the case, and that has also helped massively. In fact I think it's ended up quieter than my Intel system and significantly faster cpu,ram,ssd

  25. Received thanks from:

    DanceswithUnix (18-03-2021)

  26. #16
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    20
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked
    2 times in 2 posts

    Re: New system build - Ryzen (from Intel)

    Quote Originally Posted by cptwhite_uk View Post
    What's the case type, how many fans and type?

    Might be time to upgrade the case ande get some decent cooling in the PC? There's some very nice cases for ~ £100 or less these days:

    Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact (£100)
    The Meshify 2 Compact looks perfect, think that's going to be my next case. Where can you see it for £100?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •