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    If i go for the AMD it'll either be the 3500 or the 3800. I know they clock as factory at 2.2ghz and 2.4ghz, what have people clocked them up to? I know you can go further when watercooled . I will be using a Gaming Bomb 2 Case with 120mm Rear fan, 80mm Front and 80mm on roof of case. I will go down the Water Cooled route once i've saved up. But what do you think i'd be able to clock the speed up to?

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    Cheers Agent for that Post, Very interesting Results there. I think you have have twisted my arm buddy!!

    Now i need to Justify if its worth paying the extra for the 3800 over the 3500?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrensen
    Now i need to Justify if its worth paying the extra for the 3800 over the 3500?
    Not in my opinion. Get a 3200/3500 and overclock it if you must.
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    No probs.

    Personaly, id go for the 3500. The difference between them isnt huge.
    Even so, the new Venice cores from AMD seem to be decent clockers. If you can get one of those, id defo go with the 3500.
    Spend the extra money (there is a £64 difference between the 2 at Scan) on a good PSU , memory, mobo, case, more HD space..... the list goes on. Just go with whats going to be most used for your system (perhaps g.card if its for gaming).

    £64 is a lot of money, imo, for such a small difference.
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    yeah i think your right, 3500 im sure would be fine for what im using it for.

    The system i'm building is as follows..

    CASE: GAMING BOMB 2
    PSU:600W Enermax Noisetaker SLi
    MOBO: Asus A8N-SLi (Standard)
    RAM: 2GB Samsung pc3200 -> From old machine
    Hard Drive: WD Raptor 74GB and 120Gb Seagate Barracuda from old machine
    GPU: XFX 6800GT
    DVD: DVD-RW sony and DVD-ROM sony

    In a few months once ive saved a bit more i'll get the Corsair 1GB XPERT (2 x 512MB) PC3200.

    Now that should run my Counter Strike and Operation Flashpoint!!!!!!!

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    oh and 1 more question......do you think i really need 2 gb of ram?

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    Gonna start another thread as im changing the topic.... AMD San Deigo and Venice CPU'S

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrensen
    If i go for the AMD it'll either be the 3500 or the 3800. I know they clock as factory at 2.2ghz and 2.4ghz, what have people clocked them up to? I know you can go further when watercooled . I will be using a Gaming Bomb 2 Case with 120mm Rear fan, 80mm Front and 80mm on roof of case. I will go down the Water Cooled route once i've saved up. But what do you think i'd be able to clock the speed up to?
    Nice case but very expensive. Why are you putting an 80mm fan on the front iirc the gaming bomb 2 takes a 120mm fan on the front which would be cooler and quieter.

    If you want to save a bit an akasa eclipse62 (if you want an aluminium case) or an antec slk3000b would also keep a rig pretty cool with 2x 120mm fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    experience, and look on toms hardware for videos if you want

    The intel chips just underclock and/or shut down when they overheat to danger point while the AMD ones just keep going until they melt...
    This is total nonsense. It's been a part of the AMD motherboard spec that they have thermal overload protection since they introduced the Palomino core; AMD won't certify a motherboard if it doesn't shutdown at the overload temperature. I know, because I've been saved by it myself when I installed a heatsink backwards.

    Yes, Toms did a video of a Tbird burning up back in the mists of time, so what? It's utterly irrelevant today.

    Edit: according to Kez, it was a Palomino. I don't know why the thermal shutdown didn't work then, but it certainly works now, at least for me. The palomino also runs a hotter than the Tbird-B/Barton, and a LOT hotter than the 90nm A64s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rave
    according to Kez, it was a Palomino. I don't know why the thermal shutdown didn't work then, but it certainly works now, at least for me. The palomino also runs a hotter than the Tbird-B/Barton, and a LOT hotter than the 90nm A64s.
    I've seen the THG vid with a P4, TBird and a Palomino. Both AMD CPUs died. Perhaps it was the motherboard support at the time.
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    did they mention what mobo was used?

    i got a tiny question myself. there is no mention of what the critical shutdown temp or what will happen when the cpu reaches critical temps on either the manual or settings on the bios on my ASUS A8V. while im not really concerned, im a little curious...

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    i think we are missing the poit here, AMD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    As far as I know the critical shutdown temp (for A64s) is 94C (on-die), unless it can/has been specifically set otherwise in the BIOS. Maybe it is simply 1C lower than the max ratted on die temp of the chip, as newcastles/clawhammers are ratted for 95C max on die temp.

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    I have a 3200 athlon 64 system with 2gb ram and scsi raid, and a 3.2 intel system with 4 ide raided drives and 512mb, neither overclocked, there isn't much in it, but... I reckon the intel has the edge, just in general 'feel' when running win xp (probably due to the dual coreness of it) but under linux I would say they are dead equal. (I'm not doing game comparison here btw, i'm only playing neverwinter nights, occasionally!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    experience, and look on toms hardware for videos if you want

    The intel chips just underclock and/or shut down when they overheat to danger point while the AMD ones just keep going until they melt...
    I think you'll find this was on the older cpus... this hasnt applied for quite a long time indeed....

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