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    AMD or P4?

    Hi,

    I am in the process of picking my components for my pc build. I use my pc for gaming and general internet use. Lots of people say AMD is better but the speed of the CPU is not clocking as fast as the P4's.

    What would you guys suggest, please dont be bias to your CPU.

    Cheers

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    amd64 is by a long way better than p4. it's not about mhz, it's about what it can DO with those mhz - and amd wins

    and i have a 2.26 ghz p4, before you ask

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    Personally I use intel as it suits what I do more, but for general/gaming use A64 is prob your best bet.

    Clock speed doesn't mean alot, as A64's are slower clock speeds but do more than the equivent p4, hence the PR ratings 3000+ etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by darrensen
    Hi,

    I am in the process of picking my components for my pc build. I use my pc for gaming and general internet use. Lots of people say AMD is better but the speed of the CPU is not clocking as fast as the P4's.

    What would you guys suggest, please dont be bias to your CPU.

    Cheers

    Darren
    Mhz does NOT equal power
    For example, a 3gighz AMD is going to kick an Intel 3gighz in most things. They simply do more work for every Mhz.
    AMD chips are now generaly always cooler than their P4 counter parts too.

    You may find these handy:
    http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=38697
    http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=37363
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    General usage will be a bit snappier on a hyper-threading P4 than on a single core AMD, but at the same price point an A64 will beat a P4 in just about everything besides encoding.

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    If the rig is for gaming 99.9% of the time, go for a A64, I only use the Intel chip as I am always messing about with 3D graphics and OpenGL programming, I need the chip for the video editing. Both chips have their + and - sides to them.

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    It depends on what you want to do and what you can afford.

    I was always in the AMD camp previously, but now i have my shiny new P4..would never go back. The performance difference between and intel and amd chip that are both rated the same is very marginal, maybe 1 or 2 fps in a game...thats nothing. For video editiing the P4 has always been the champion tho, i cant remember the reason (need to read up on chip architechture again) but i *think* its something to do with the floating point units or something, bleh i'm sure someone knows or can be arsed to check.

    Other ppl say that A64's are better cos they are 64bit..ok fair enough but are you really going to use those extra 32bits? Theres virtually no windows software that supports 64bit, very limited driver support, and windows 64bit has only JUSt been released. Its different if your a linux user or are building a server but for most ppl they will make no difference.

    So generally I would say go for the best you can afford, personally i would favour P4's but thats mainly because I am gaming less and less these days..plus i dont want my cpu to melt when it overheats AMD chips are prone to that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    plus i dont want my cpu to melt when it overheats AMD chips are prone to that
    Evidence for this?

    In any case a Prescott P4 will run a LOT hotter than a 90nm A64 all else being equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    It depends on what you want to do and what you can afford.

    I was always in the AMD camp previously, but now i have my shiny new P4..would never go back. The performance difference between and intel and amd chip that are both rated the same is very marginal, maybe 1 or 2 fps in a game...thats nothing. For video editiing the P4 has always been the champion tho, i cant remember the reason (need to read up on chip architechture again) but i *think* its something to do with the floating point units or something, bleh i'm sure someone knows or can be arsed to check.

    Other ppl say that A64's are better cos they are 64bit..ok fair enough but are you really going to use those extra 32bits? Theres virtually no windows software that supports 64bit, very limited driver support, and windows 64bit has only JUSt been released. Its different if your a linux user or are building a server but for most ppl they will make no difference.

    So generally I would say go for the best you can afford, personally i would favour P4's but thats mainly because I am gaming less and less these days..plus i dont want my cpu to melt when it overheats AMD chips are prone to that

    Good point about AMD overheating. I have always had P4's and i think im edging towards the P4 again. Also if you think about it, DDR2 is only available on Intel mobos at the moment, with a Socket 775 cpu and DDR2 ram, im sure it'll perform roughly the same.

    Whats your thoughts on this?
    Last edited by darrensen; 05-05-2005 at 02:29 PM.

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    Personally I've been avoiding 775/DDR2.

    DDR2 uses high latencies and the current processors don't really use the speeds the RAM is capable of, so theres no point to it really atm.

    Current AMD's run cooler than p4's, even watercooled my Prescott runs @ 55-60C, I wouldn't let anything else run this hot!
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    Just been looking at AMD64 Mobos, they dont seem to cost much more and it makes sense as they are SLi. So no need to upgrade in future also the CPU would be 64bit so no need to upgrade that in the future..............hmmmmmmmmm I stumbled on the Graphics Card last week, managed to decided what to get then and now the im in a fiddle over the CPU......???????HELPPPPP!!!!!

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    its amazing how amd64 chips can burn and die, aint it? [/sarcasm]

    i live in the tropics, i used to hav a 2.8ghz p4C. i dont really care about the high temps [thats what the 3year warranty is for ], but the heat output is what i dislike. my room temp would rise a few Cs when gaming but with my new 90nm a64... it barely rises... i can feel much less heat coming from my rear exhaust fan now

    ps: if my 3500+ a64 maxes at 55C, guess how a prescott cpu would fare here eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rave
    Evidence for this?

    In any case a Prescott P4 will run a LOT hotter than a 90nm A64 all else being equal.
    experience, and look on toms hardware for videos if you want

    The intel chips just underclock and/or shut down when they overheat to danger point while the AMD ones just keep going until they melt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by darrensen
    Just been looking at AMD64 Mobos, they dont seem to cost much more and it makes sense as they are SLi. So no need to upgrade in future also the CPU would be 64bit so no need to upgrade that in the future..............hmmmmmmmmm I stumbled on the Graphics Card last week, managed to decided what to get then and now the im in a fiddle over the CPU......???????HELPPPPP!!!!!
    well, it seems that you've got pretty much everything decided. if u can spare the extra, get the 3500+, if not a 3200+ would do fine too. the majority of 90nm a64s have a max OCable speed of [a conservative] 2.4ghz.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    experience, and look on toms hardware for videos if you want

    The intel chips just underclock and/or shut down when they overheat to danger point while the AMD ones just keep going until they melt...

    as far as i know, those videos are of the A.thunderbirds and soon after those videos amd/motherboard manufacturers implemented mechanisms to shut down the comp when the temps are too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    experience, and look on toms hardware for videos if you want

    The intel chips just underclock and/or shut down when they overheat to danger point while the AMD ones just keep going until they melt...
    Your basing that on a video that is showing a AMD chip based on technology probably not far off 3/4 years old.
    You wont melt a AMD64 like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1
    The performance difference between and intel and amd chip that are both rated the same is very marginal, maybe 1 or 2 fps in a game...thats nothing.
    oh please
    A 1/2 FPS difference is an exception rather than a rule. You only need to look at almost every review on the HEXUS main site to see that.
    Even when this does happen, most of the time its due to the application / game not being CPU limited.



    Even DOOM 3, run at 1024x768 High Quality, runs better on AMD hardware
    Only 2 chips were able to beat the 3200+ (AMDs 2nd slowest 64bit chip they make) on this benchmark.



    The EE is the only chip to beat the 2nd slowest AMD 64bit chip there is.



    It starts to look better for Intel here. Untill you realise the cost difference between the AMD and Intel chips.

    To quote the noble Tarinder;
    Another set of topsy-turvy results from Intel. What's clear is that if we exclude the £700 Extreme Edition, Prescotts aren't really threatening AMD's gaming dominance.
    http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews...JsX3BhZ2U9Ng==

    Look around the net (and on the HEXUS main site), this isnt a one off. There is a heck of a lot more than 1/2 fps in games.

    The 570J does well just where you would expect, that is, in media encoding and applications that have been optimised for its SSE3 architecture. However, where it and other Prescotts are found wanting is in gaming performance. Just take a second look at the graphs and you'll see that an AMD Athlon 64 3500+, costing around £190, is faster in every benchmark. That's more of a testament to the Prescott's games-orientated failings than anything else. Even a well-tuned 3.4GHz S478 Northwood setup is able to keep decent pace with this 3.8GHz model at times.
    The current price of a P4 4 570J at Scan is £410....

    You can get lower end P4's for a LOT less, with not a huge performce loss, but they still loose out to AMD. See the graphs.

    I have a P4 sitting here for my 3DSM rendering, which it does good at, but for gaming, AMD is where it is at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silon
    as far as i know, those videos are of the A.thunderbirds and soon after those videos amd/motherboard manufacturers implemented mechanisms to shut down the comp when the temps are too high.
    Actually Tom's tested a Palomino which was supposed to protect itself... it didn't. I've not witnessed this issue for a long time now, however.
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