Is the jump from a 32 bit processor to a 64bit processor woth it yet?
or should we wait for more apps to take advantage of the technology?
what y'all think?
Barney
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Is the jump from a 32 bit processor to a 64bit processor woth it yet?
or should we wait for more apps to take advantage of the technology?
what y'all think?
Barney
Sure it is. What is your current system specs?
Its not really in terms of using the 64-bit capabilities of the processor (assuming you dont use linux) but the athlon 64 processors are very fast anyway at 32-bit so will work great until 64-bit really takes off.
They have better memory interface etc aswell i think
i was pretty impressed when i went from a xp2400+ to a winchester 3200+
much faster :)
think of it more as just a performance upgrade rather than a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade :)
But is it worth it, say going from my 2800 XP to a 64 bit 3200 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyBoy
yeap - thats like saying should I update my Triumph Dolomite and get say a Focus. Miles better really :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rcb
Gaming wise - to see a perspective test comparing "pentium 4's" to AMD 64 check the following ;
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2330
A litte more relevant
http://www23.tomshardware.com/index....el2=67&chart=1
Just choose the relevant 2800xp and 64bit 3200+ then choose which benchmark and it will highlight them making it easy to compare. The answer, as you will see, is a resounding yes. The amd64 thrases the xp. Also when 64bit is utilised itll be another 25% faster (maybe - wild guess based on nothing whatsoever)
Worth it yet? Are you from a third-world country? :crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by barney_2k
If you are serious you really need to read more. ;)
Do you mean using it with 64 bit winXP?
i would disagree, the performance gap isn't there yet for an upgrade. However, if buying a new system, I would definately say go 64bit. I would also say my 3.2 intel "feels" faster than my 3200+ athlon 64 in windows, games no noticable difference.
Nox
that table is fantasic, i had no idea the difference was that large, i need to go 64-bit now!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarlet Infidel
cheers 4 the advice
getting a 64 bit processor for my new rig then
i only got a 1.2 celeron atm
Barney
Quote:
Originally Posted by noahhowes
the 2800 + is running memory at pc2100, compared to pc3200 thats a BIG ass difference. also, kinda depends, but overclocked once t-breds were out i never had a chip that wouldn't do 2.4Ghz, the average overclock for an ath 64 is probo 2.5-2.6Ghz, not that much ahead. people forget that the ath xp isn't that much slower per clock than the ath 64 in a lot of situations, its deffo slower, but not by much. in a few apps where communication with gpu for instance is more important the onboard mem controller makes a reasonable difference. but games have always been heavily dependant on bandwidth. lets take far cry, 3000+ is 169fps, the 2800+ is 125, but if you ran that at ddr400, both cpu and memory at 200Mhz then that score would definately improve, not hugely, probably to 135 or so at a guess. theres still a gap there but as you ramp up quality and resolution, you can see the cpu can already support generating the required amount of fps, its the gpu at higher res that will cause the fps to drop dramatically. if you want to game and have a not high end gfx thats where the money is better spent. if you encode or do some high end design work the ath 64 will be quite a lot better.
from a 1.2cellery then, tbh, anything would be a pretty stonking upgrade. budget ath 64 939 system, £90 cpu, £45 gigabyte basic board and whatever gfx you fancy spending cash on will be hugely better than what you've got.
fair points, and yeah any upgrade on that machine will be huge. as for mine, my 2600 will happily run with the ram at 400mhz giving me the same cpu as a 3200+ barton, but it would still be whooped buy one of the new venice/sandiego cores that has been overclocked, even a venice 3200 would fly past it on air when looking at the equivalent clock speeds of winchesters on there, and not forgetting the improved mem controller aiding it further.
now all i need is some money :P
Just Yes :)
lol im on a tight budget though
ordering the AMD 64 3000+ and a motherboard this week
Im so excited!
woohoo
lol soz
Barney
If you compare clock for clock (instead of rating for rating) you'll see an even larger difference. All Athlon XP's run higher clocks than A64's with similar ratings. Clock for clock there is really no comparison. Even with equal ratings they are not very close.
I have done just that myself last year, and especially in terms of gaming performance it's quite a noticable leap forward, indeed. Seeing is believing! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rcb
just ordered a Athlon 64 3200+ Clawhammer (skt 754)
and a MSI Neo Platinum Motherboard
from the buy/sell/trade forum
What you think people??
Barney
It's a matter of personal opinion I suppose. I would class myself as an enthusiast in IT, but I won't go and spend around £200 upgrading to A64 yet when I feel there is no need to.
My XP2500+ and 6800GT run everything I want at the top settings with no problems, so gaming is not an issue. I no longer need to worry about numbers given out by 3DMark software or how quickly my computer can calculate PIE as they mean nothing to me in real world activities, so that isn't an issue.
Basically, if you are worried about people thinking less of you coz you have a 32bit system then upgrade. If your current system doesn't handle the games that you play at the framerates and settings you want then upgrade. If not, then there really is no need to IMO, especially not considering how much it is and when the "need" to upgrade comes around, the technology will be more advanced and a lot cheaper. :)
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Originally Posted by Allen
nod... nod.... I so totally feel that way. Having said that, A64 ratings still rocks. I'll always be the happiest person when AMD smacks Intel from La-la Land...
Nobody can tell you what you need. If you say you don't need a faster computer then I'm sure you don't. Even so there is no denying the slowest A64 will slap the fastest AXPs silly in games and most other applications whether a person needs it to or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allen
Your 6800GT is not realizing it's potential on your system though. Your CPU is the bottleneck for sure. That's to be expected though when your videocard is worth 3 times your CPU and motherboard combined.
Worried about people thinking less of you? You've got to be kidding. People who get their sense of worth from their computers are very sad. Computers are for running software. Without programs they are useless. If your computer does what you need it to do it's stupid to upgrade. :rockon:
True, I never once mentioned they would not be more powerful, just stating that you may not have the need to upgrade, and I bet plenty of people have upgraded just because they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by StormPC
I still deny that arguement. A ford chassis with a Ferrari engne in it would still be a damn fast car. The performance increase (visual) from my 9600XT is astounding and I got very good performance figures, back when I was into benching and overclocking, compared to a whole host of other systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by StormPC
There are some people around who could also be classed as sad as they think they are above everyone else coz they have A64 and SLI setups with dual TFT's etc when they don't need them, the same goes for cars and a lot of other "materialistic" things.Quote:
Originally Posted by StormPC
btw you can now download the x64 trial instead of having to pay 20$ to get it shipped.
You can deny all you want but on an A64 your framerates would be much higher. Also, the videocard is not the engine, the CPU is. The videocard is more like the headers if you want to use the car analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allen
People are not materialistic just because they can afford the best material things. Many times the rich are less materialistic than the poor. Envy does nasty things to people. :crazy:
Eh? What? Why are my ears burning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allen
;)
Also at the end of the day, to most people on these forums buying hardware and tweaking it is a hobby. I enjoy looking for parts when i need them and even dreaming of parts that i dont.
The benifits of 64bit CPU's are very small at the moment but if you are planning on an upgrade, in my opinion 64Bit is the only way to go.
One major benifit of 64 Bit is having the ability to address more ram and allowing one single process to use over 4 Gbs of RAM. (4 gigs for one process...!) Currently this is never going to be use. Still 64bit is deffinitly the way forward I think its worth it in many cases but in some cases its not. Its nearly a fancy marketing scheme which makes people feel the must upgrade.
If you don't need a fast computer they are small I guess. If you do the differences are quite profound.Quote:
Originally Posted by zaphod