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    Will I notice a difference...and help me overclock.

    Alright, I finally finished my system, just have to put all the parts together.

    Will I notice a difference from my old to my new system?

    Old System: Dell 4800
    CPU: P4 2.26ghz, 533mhz fsb
    PSU: 300W
    HDD: 20gb + 80gb eide
    RAM: 1gig PNY
    GPU: 128mb ATI Radeon 9600xt (agp)
    SC: Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS

    New System: Custom Build
    MB: ASUS A8N32 Deluxe
    CPU: AMD Dual Core AthlonX2 4400+ Toledo, 1ghz fsb
    PSU: 550W Sunbeam Nuuo
    HDD: 74gb Raptor + 300gb SATA
    RAM: 2gig Corsair 3500LL-pro + 1gig PNY
    GPU: Two 256mb eVGA 7800GTXs
    SC: Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS
    DVD: Pioneer 16x Dual Layer DVR-A08XL


    Also, can someone give me a basics course on how to do safe overclocking without frying my new system? I haven't ever done serious overclocking, so give me all the info you can.

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    • aidanjt's system
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    Yes, you'll notice a substantial difference between your old system and you're new one, 2 cores aposed to 1, much faster FSB (or Hyper-Transport bus as AMD calls it), double ram, and much faster HD system.

    As for overclocking, make them slow steps, 5Mhz at a time in the BIOS, stress test the system at each increament with a variaty of tasks. Although generally speaking overclocking your system would be rather pointless, you'd need to be doing some serious processing to require the extra performance.

    I overclocked my P4 to 3.92Ghz for testing however I've since reverted it back to 3.2Ghz stock since the wear and tear of the components outweighed the performance gains.
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    What are you using the systems for?

    If you're just looking at pictures you won't notice anything. If you're doing general browsing you'll notice the sytem is a bit snappier.

    If you're doing gaming or stuff that requires computing power then you will notice a difference.

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    Check my project <<| Black3D |>>
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    • aidanjt's system
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    Imo overclocking a system like that is just plain silly. The system is high-performance at stock. There's no point burning out parts for a 5% gain in performance you'll not fully utilise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt
    Imo overclocking a system like that is just plain silly. The system is high-performance at stock. There's no point burning out parts for a 5% gain in performance you'll not fully utilise.
    Where's your sense of fun??

    Not gonna do anything bad if he's careful is it? Overclocking is all about value for money and knowing that you have a processor clocked at a far higher level than stock. Love it
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    yes well, 'safe' for now still doesn't mean you'll get a good long life from it. And if you aren't using it, then it's pointless. I had my fun screwing my processor to breaking point, but the end result was minimal performance gain, and shortening my CPU's lifespan.

    All I had to show for it really was my CPU was nearly running at 4Ghz, probibly could have had that stabiley too if I had better ram and water-cooling.. Great for nob swinging, but nah, in the real world, pointless.
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    Well just an extra 160Mhz on top on an old OC (2.64GHz) meant that COD2 now plays @ 1920 x 1200 as the CPU was bottle-necking the GPU at that res. Now I safely get 35FPS minimum.

    Decoding and encoding is noticably quicker and CPU heavy tasks fly through

    As for limiting life-yeah by about 2months - in 5years I'll be buggered if I'm using the same CPU
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    Shortening lifespan...who cares?

    I've never had anything die on me from overclocking nor do I personally know anyone who has. Even if compenent lifespan does decrease people rarely have parts for more than 3 or 4 years when the lifespan of a component is usually 10 years. With overclocking you may take 1/3 off that but even so I doubt it will make a significant difference.

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    • aidanjt's system
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    sure, tell that to the transisters in your CPU if you get an electrical spike. I'm sure they'll belive you.
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    Electrical spike?

    Sounds dangerous but I think I'll risk it. If it does break I can just sell it on ebay anyway

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    yeah i'll be using this system for gaming, etc.

    thanks for all the advice on overclocking, does anyone have a good suggestion for a program to monitor system usage and temperatures?

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    Depending on whaqt motherboard you get:

    ITE Smart guardian I use (from DFI utilities) and I also use MBM5 using the DFI mod from DFI Street

    Speedfan is also ok
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    I use PC Wizard 2005 & Task manager in Windows while running prime95. In Linux, lm_sensors while compiling something silly big like KDE, if that doesn't show signs of instablity nothing will.
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    If the umpty million transisors get an electrical spike they are toast anyway, no matter what speed it's clocked at! I believe that it's the charge carrier migration in the doped silicon that causes the problem, which would be more affected by the temperature than the voltage. Of course temperature is affected by voltage, but we all know that you can have a hot cpu at low volts and a cool cpu at high volts.

    Some motherboards allow you to have different BIOS settings for normal use or for performance. This sounds an ideal compromise, running 8hrs a day on a nice cool standard setting, gently sipping the power like a pensioner in a Fiesta 950, and then maybe 2hrs really quaffing the electrons and giving it some large like a chav in a Subaru Impreza!

    It's all in the FAQ/stickies, but basically you look at each major component in turn: cpu / motherboard / memory / graphics, see how far it will go, and how much benefit it actually gives. When you have worked that out, you try em together. You may well find that some parts give a big return for not much overclock, and others return very little even at huge overclocks. For me, one "notch" up on each item gives a good boost without any problems.

    Oh, and your new system should blow the old one into the dust. If it doesn't then you have a software conflict somewhere that needs to be sorted.

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