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    To be honest, any of AMD's (or Intel's) processors could run what you want it to, with no problem at all. My outgoing Pentium III 500 happily ran IE, Firefox, Winamp, Word and Outlook at the same time with no discernible lag (although it had 640MB).

    With AMD's new M2 Processor sockets arriving soon, it may be a better investment to get the cheapest cpu/motherboard/memory deal you can, but a better video card such as a 7800GT (as has been said, it's rarely the CPU that limits frame rate). I can't imagine that you would see any difference running those apps on a 4800 rather than a 2800. I *would* go for a 300GB drive rather than 250GB if you can (shop around, the difference can be <£10), preferably one with a 16MB buffer.

    Personally, I went with the X2 3800 and don't regret it for a second. I use some pretty heavy duty graphics and engineering software which really benefits, and dual core upgrade patches are already available for some games (Quake 4, Call of Duty 2 etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSIC
    Decision time.



    A 3700+ (single core) is what i'm going to get. I reckon X2 is overkill..
    An X2 is not overkill. Make no mistake, the X2 is much more powerful in tasks that require CPU muscle. Games just do not take advantage of that power. Because of this the X2 is not a good deal for gamers. An Opteron 146 overclocked to 2.8GHz (they will reach this quite easily) will destroy a 4800+ X2 for a fraction of the cost, but ONLY in games and other non-multithreaded programs.

    Please don't miss the point here as many of the X2 cheerleaders seem to. The X2 is a monster and it's price is justified if you will use both cores most of the time. If not, I believe a single-core is a much better choice.

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    So you agree with me, the X2 IS overkill then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSIC
    So you agree with me, the X2 IS overkill then!
    No, in your application it is underkill, since a single-core will kick the dual-core's arse.

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    Can someone explain to me why a dual core processor is worse than a single core processor at the same clock speeds - apart from the price thing obviously.

    Unless I'm missing something, having a dual core there, for when you're online gaming and your PC decides it's time to start virus checking for example can only be a good thing?

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    At same clock speeds/cache and ignoring price, it's not worse at all. There's a minor heat/power penalty and some potential software issues with certain drivers, but as far as the hardware goes it's not worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSIC
    Decision time.
    And by the way, for all who keep saying "£600 PC is all you need" have you actually tried to build a machine that can blow people away in terms of asthetics for this much money??
    Yes, I built someone a Shuttle SK43G based box a year ago. It was Socket A with plenty of ram, cheap TFT and a good DVD burner. Last I heard she still absolutely adores it (and the fact the whole system takes very little space). Was 500 quid including windows XP & virus checker.

    I would have to ask for 1200 quid whether one monster PC is better than a shuttle per child.

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    I'd say x2, by the time hes looking at upgrading the machine more dual core support will be around and will make up for its &#163;90 extra costage.

    If all he does is play the SIM's then theres not really much point in the spending of &#163;1200 on a machine for it IMHO anyways...

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    Very few people actually know what a PC costs - even those who claim to know something about them (Intel Pentium 4 with HT technology anyone?). People are still stuck in 1996 when a decent machine would set you back &#163;1400. They don't realise that a &#163;500 dell will do more than they could ever throw at it.

    I would ask the "client" what he really wants to do with the machine, how long he expects to keep it before it's thrown away and a new machine built, whether he wants the ability to upgrade chip, gfx card, amount of ram in the future for the kids, does he plan to use it for viewing TV/DVD's/PVR etc etc.

    People are blown away by how big the monitor looks and how thin it is. They like the really cool case cos it's got audio and firewire on the front with a flashing light and a cool drive bay. Very few of them could tell the difference in a blind test between an X2 3800, 2gb ram, 7800gtx and an xp3200, 512gb ram and a 9700pro. Doubly so if they are just surfing the net or using word.

    Imho a 19" monitor will be of far more benefit than an X2. Perhaps saving him &#163;&#163;&#163; is more wow factor. Hehe why not show him this thread.

    I respect that it's his money and that's my 2 cents worth of opinion.
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    Well, the machine has been built and delivered over 3 weeks ago now, and all is well.
    For what it's worth, the monitor, case, speakers, mouse and keyboard came to nearly &#163;550, so the internal components made up the rest.

    And money wasnt an issue, as he had a bit of a windfall, and was quite happy / willing to spend &#163;1500.

    Now, to put this matter to rest, i'm in no way saying that you can't build a good PC for &#163;500 or &#163;600 - i can post a spec for such a system right now - but you have to bear in mind that he already had a halfway decent machine, and a &#163;500 PC just wouldn't be much of a step up from what he had (both in performance AND looks / feel).

    End result - &#163;1200 spent, a nice machine produced, and one very happy family.

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    Well what did you get him? lol

    BTW, I'm doing just fine with my old skool 3200+ & 6800GT (playing most games [CS:S, Doom3, Quake4] at 1280x1024 quite smoothly) so I'm partial to the el cheapo route.

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