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    Question New Bartons, week 40 and above

    Just wondering, has anyone here got a Barton that was produced from week 40 or above?

    It's just that, there's been two instances that I've heard of, where the multiplier was locked on a 2500+. With one case, a person with an NF7-S, still unable to access any other multiplier but the default 11.
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    AMD would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did this, I Severly doubt that its the case. IF it was true it would probably be all over the web by now.

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    Check out OC's forums. It's happening to some people there as well.
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    The OC link seems to be about 5th FID manipulation by mobos and doesn't seem to have much to do with some AMD CPUs being locked. I can't see AMD locking their CPUs as everything TbredB and Barton has always been unlocked and only those CPUs with a multiplier higher than 12.5x (ie using the 5th FID bit) can appear locked on mobos that don't understand it. Perhaps AMD are a little distressed with so many people (mostly enthusiasts) turning their £70 Barton XP2500+ or £40 TbredB XP1700+ish into a £350 XP3200+.

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    Well it might be an Aussie or a week 41/42 thing. I've visited a couple of the major forums and found that week 30-40 CPUs to be quite abundant. Hardly any produced in week 41/42.

    It's only the week 41/42 that's being unlocked, but these instances have only occurred in Australia it seems. Until there's more evidence of week 41/42 CPUs out there, these few instances maybe just flukes.

    EDIT: £350 for the 3200+ there? With current exchange rates, a 3200+ here is £221!!
    EDIT2: That was a retail price I was quoting. That also includes our 10% GST (aka VAT with you guys ).
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    We do pay 17.5% VAT. Actually the price of XP3200+ (SktA) has come down mostly due to the Athlon64 but for along time many users did get £350 perf out of their £40-70 CPU. Current UK prices for (SktA) XP3200+ is OEM=£260 Retail=£330. I guess we'll have to keep our eyes open and our ears to the ground just in case AMD are multiplier locking (some?) CPUs.

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    Found another thread that'll be interesting to watch over if the originaly poster replies with their stepping.

    EDIT: Another one.
    Last edited by Rod911; 06-11-2003 at 02:56 PM.
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    Holy Beep hehe.

    I ordered a 2500 Xp from microdirect. I just looked at the stepping and its a week 41!

    I will seer what happens tm when i put my third rig together. Im not especially worried as long it will do 11 * 200 = 3200 speeds.

    wish me luck ppl

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    :-( why the cpus gotta get worse and worse as more get made of them
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    YEah im worried it wont handle 3200 xp speeds ! as long as it does that though Im happy !

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    But it does look like that it will be locked though !
    boo at AMD !

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    Although I can understand it I would have to say a big reason for so many techies choosing AMD is for unlocked multipliers, it may hurt them more than help esp as in raw perf the P4 (800FSB) is well placed as offering more perf (and HT) than the SktA AthlonXP but aren't as expensive as the Athlon64/FX. Ah well, it reminds me of when AMD got big headed and introduced the first AthlonXP which unlike the CPUs before were well and truly locked. If they had kept them locked I doubt they'd have had as many sales and support as they have done. I second the boo (if this is all true).

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    Another possible case.

    I'm just surprised that I haven't seen any hardware/AMD sites investigate this situation further.
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    Originally posted by Austin
    Although I can understand it I would have to say a big reason for so many techies choosing AMD is for unlocked multipliers, it may hurt them more than help esp as in raw perf the P4 (800FSB) is well placed as offering more perf (and HT) than the SktA AthlonXP but aren't as expensive as the Athlon64/FX. Ah well, it reminds me of when AMD got big headed and introduced the first AthlonXP which unlike the CPUs before were well and truly locked. If they had kept them locked I doubt they'd have had as many sales and support as they have done. I second the boo (if this is all true).
    Austin, even with the support they may have had, according to the PC Format mag I just got AMD have made a loss in the last 2 years
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    Made a loss but that loss could have been much bigger and if the TbredB and Barton had been always locked like the Pally I doubt they'd have got half the sales. I think AMD's biggest problem is that the Athlon is too efficient and generally people will always want the real ghz (as opposed to rating) and/or the top brand. Rem those days when the AMD K5 and esp Cyrix CPUs were running a good 10-20% than the equivilently clocked Intel Pentium? It's now reversed and a P4 @ 2.2ghz is crap compared to an Athlon @ 2.2ghz (XP3200+). They have the advertising, they have the market leading brand so it seems it will always be an upward struggle for AMD to compete. Maybe Athlon64 will change things a bit?

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    Originally posted by Austin
    The OC link seems to be about 5th FID manipulation by mobos and doesn't seem to have much to do with some AMD CPUs being locked. I can't see AMD locking their CPUs as everything TbredB and Barton has always been unlocked and only those CPUs with a multiplier higher than 12.5x (ie using the 5th FID bit) can appear locked on mobos that don't understand it. Perhaps AMD are a little distressed with so many people (mostly enthusiasts) turning their £70 Barton XP2500+ or £40 TbredB XP1700+ish into a £350 XP3200+.
    All AMD chips released in the last 3 or so years have been locked.

    The current TbredB's and Bartons are still locked. Put them in a KT333 or even some old KT400 boards and you can do bugger all with them.

    AMD have proven themselves worried about people overclocking too much before [i.e. with full multiplier adjustment] both back with they started locking socket A chips and also when they made the Palomino's much harder to lock after cutting furrows deep into the pakaging making standard pen tricks hard to bridge the gaps.

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