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    AMD CPU and Motherboard

    I'm looking for guidance here. I've currently got an Athlon 2800+ oc'd to 3300+ or so and have had this a couple of years now, along with 1GB RAM and an ATI 9700.

    I'm looking to upgrade to a dual core 64 bit AMD. I am initially looking at a 4200+ but is this the best bang for buck?

    What Motherboard do I go for - again I've got one in mind (the Asus NF4 SLI-deluxe) but are there better options (I dont plan to buy 2 cards).

    As for graphics cards I'll have to make the choice between x1800 and 7900GT on my own I guess - for me image quality is important to I suspect that the x1800 may be the better choice.

    Any advice welcomed (including save your money and don't do it )

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    CPU: If you plan to overclock, the best bang for buck dual core is the X2 3800+.

    Motherboard: The 'DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D' is an amazing board for overclocking.

    Graphics card: The 7900GT is 'better' than a X1800, what resolution are you running at?

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    Well, technically not really 'better'.. X1800XT still has better IQ and its just £30 more.. but R520 cores do run hotter than Nvs.. beats the purpose if its silence ur aiming..
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    I run at 1600x1200 on my desktop and to be honest the 9700 does that quite well. I just want the extra oomph for stuff like BF2 and fear (when I get it). The decision has come from the machine constantly locking up and crash to desktop while playing BF2. I've not Oc's the 9700 but the heat in the case I think is causing some problems.......

    IQ for me is just as important as speed - if the x1800 is just as quick as the new 7900GT then for £30 and a little more heat then thats the way I'll go.

    If I want to oc the CPU this time around - what is the 3800+ capable of? I've not been looking at hardware for a couple of years so I'm playing catch-up. On these CPUs do you still oc on bus speed? What cooler do I use?

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    For 3800+ X2 it really repends.. some get to 2.6Ghz without a hitch, while some crappier Manchester cores (like mine) find it hard to even hit 2.5Ghz.. but its rock stable at 2.4Ghz tho on a tad upped from stock volts.

    The X1800XT will be noisier.. hotter and bigger than the 7900GT.. IQ wise the X1800XT is better.. 7900GT are for ppl who want near super performance for a fraction of the headache..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheechy
    I'm looking for guidance here. I've currently got an Athlon 2800+ oc'd to 3300+ or so and have had this a couple of years now, along with 1GB RAM and an ATI 9700.
    I am assuming that you currently have an Athlon XP 2800+ ??

    If you currently have an Athlon 64 2800+, it's probably a socket 754 type (dont think they produced the 2800's in 939-pin forms) and you could upgrade to a higher speed 754 CPU (but not dual core).

    The other option, referring back to your original request, is to seriously consider a dual-core Opteron, rather than a dual-core A64. They are basically the same, but the Opterons are made to a higher tolerance level (to the best of my understanding) and as an average will overclock better.
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    Yup its an XP 2800+ (ie 32 bit)

    Is it viable to go for a dual core opteron and then overclock or is it better just to go to the next core up as the opteron is more expensive surely?

    (I know dont call me surely )

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    I might have been a little rash about the dual cores, in terms of price at least.
    A dual core A64 3800+ (each core 2.0Ghz and 1MB cache) is £213, whilst the dual core Opteron 165 (each core 1.8Ghz and 1MB cache) is £240. The Opteron is OEM (without warranty or Heatsink & fan).

    So in terms of price, the Athlon64 may be better.
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    got a 3800+ from Novatech on Sat for £177, took a few mins to figure why the total bill was about £30 cheaper than costed up from their website 5 mins before (in store) - wasn't going to complain

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    3800+ X2 only comes with 512KB per core..
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    Ah didnt pick that one up either. Good point.

    I have been reading the opteron overclocking thread with great interest.

    What does a 165 yield in terms of clock speeds then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyen
    3800+ X2 only comes with 512KB per core..
    Yep, i missed that too.

    So.... the Opteron suddenly becomes good value again!
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    Really depends, if you're not using something that needs that speed.. no point..

    1MB/ core wont translate to that much different.. and the 165 with the 9x multi is a limitation already... Remember the days of Venice 3000+? U have to get the BUS up to 300HTT before u get any decent speed on the CPU...
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    Sawyen - what have you used for cooling with your 3800+?

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    CNPS9500, idles around 25C, load hits around 36C... Dont worry too much about cooling, its the core that matters..
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    Ok cool cheers nice one. Lots to think about now.

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