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    Question Rare RAM?

    Hi all,

    Im looking to be buying some top end PC3200 Ram to go with an Athlon X2 64 system in the near future and was really interested in the GeIL ONE Series. I wont to buy a 2 Gig Dual Channel kit (2 x 1 Gig sticks) but I can only find 1 Gig kits . Does anyone know where I can get a 2 Gig kit from? If not can anyone recommend a really good high end 2 gig kit? I have a £300 budget.

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    do you want low latencys or high clock speeds/overclockability?
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    Whatever will be fastest really. The GeIL ONE Series has some REALLY low timings, thats why i was gonna buy a 2 Gig kit.

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    Well you get ram which is really fat and you get ram which will overclock loads, your saying you want just fast so just get as low latency as you can. However remember that GB sticks have higher latency that lower density sticks normally.
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    The GeIL One series was only available in 1gb kits and has since been discontinued. I don't believe geil make any performance 2gb kits, the only kit I can find is the GeIL Value stuff.
    I have some GeIL One BH-5 and I have it running at 255mhz @ 2-2-2-5 Wish there was a 2gb kit that could even come close to it.

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    If you really want to waste your money on high spec ram then look at g.skill, muskin redline and ballistix kits.

    I think when you're wanting geil one you're thinking of tccd or bh5 ics but they don't make those any more. Best you'll get is uccc with lots of volts.

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    Best to get some UCC stuff.

    That is:

    OCZ Platinum PC4000
    Mushkin Black PC4000
    GSkill HZ (Black) PC4000
    Corsair PC4000

    Or (more expensive):

    The Muskin Redlines PC4000 use Micron (i think) and run at 250-270 (DDR 500 - 540) @ 3-3-2-7
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    May be a bit of a noob question but I thought anything above PC3200 wouldn’t work with Athlon/Opteron 64 processors.... or is that just DDR2 I’m thinking of? If that is a wrong statement then what's the highest PC RAM i can buy?

    I also thought that RAM clock speed isn’t that big of an issue with the 64 bit processors as the memory controller is built into the chip, therefore its better to have low latency timings than a higher clock speed, am I wrong here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth_Spud
    May be a bit of a noob question but I thought anything above PC3200 wouldn’t work with Athlon/Opteron 64 processors.... or is that just DDR2 I’m thinking of? If that is a wrong statement then what's the highest PC RAM i can buy?

    I also thought that RAM clock speed isn’t that big of an issue with the 64 bit processors as the memory controller is built into the chip, therefore its better to have low latency timings than a higher clock speed, am I wrong here?
    Officially according to JEDEC and AMD the highest supported standard is pc3200 however ram can still run above that. With a good motherboard/ram you can easily hit 300mhz and motherboards will go up to 400mhz.

    You have just answered your own question as far as ram goes. As the memory controller is on the processor the ram speed and timings are not as important. Toms have done a small article on it:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/...k_frequencies/

    You will find a less than 10% performance increase in a bandwith loving game like Quake 4 from having "performance" ram vs "value" ram and far less in most other games. The price difference is up to twice the price though. If you were to get a cpu even 100mhz faster that would give you more performance than having the fastest ram vs your average value ram...

    You would be much better off buying value ram at ~&#163;100 and then spending the remaining ~&#163;100 on a better cpu or graphics card.

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    When is performance RAM twice the price? I've seen the GSkill nlack 2gb kits for about &#163;150. They're Samsung UCC chips and clock well

    In my experience its well worth investing just that little bit extra into a system: especially if you have expensive components to match.

    And if you ask me a 10% performance increase is a fair amount

    EDIT: Also Compatibility problems tend to be lessened on more expensive RAM
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    G.Skill kits are fairly reasonable but the mushkin and ocz stuff is about £230

    Not sure about compatiblity problems, I've never had any issues with any ram at all. I've just moved from 1gb of tccd at 280 2.5-3-3-6 to 2gb of Corsair VS and am happy with the results. My superpi time 1m time has gone down but other than that I have seen no noticeable drops. Even the value select is prime stable at 225 3-3-3-8 which isn't that slow.

    I would concede that I have been tempted with some UCC as its always good fun to fiddle with ram overclocking, especially on DFI boards.

    Some interesting graphs (hosted myself as toms doesn't like linkage)

    Varied CPU Speed, ram speed and timings constant



    Varied Ram Speed, cpu speed and ram timings constant



    Varied Ram Timings, cpu speed and ram speed constant


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