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    Conroe MB for overclocking

    Just thought I'd post this quote from coolaler over on extremesystems in case anyone's interested:

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    Quote: Originally Posted by NiCKE^
    Looking good coolaler!
    Is MSI faster then Asus?

    i do think so
    If you take a browse around that forum it's clear that coolaler knows a thing or two about OCing (real-world OCing, he does most of his OCs with a Tuniq Tower 120, no ridiculous liquid nitro setups).

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    Wow

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    impressive! not cheap ill bet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clunk
    impressive! not cheap ill bet though.
    Nope, he's talking about the MSI 975X Platinum. No-one has it in stock yet, but it seems it'll be about £20 less than the PW5DH. Of course it doesn't have all the fancy features of the Asus, but then I'm not convinced that I'll use those anyway. Interestingly, it also doesn't have the fancy "look Ma, heatpipes!" system and 8-phase power, in fact it doesn't even have heatsinks on the 4 VRMs. Maybe MSI doesn't buy into the whole hoopla about fancy power components.

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    That's why MSI boards aren't as stable as Asus boards.
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    I understand that MB makers who put out enthusiast-level boards spend a lot of time dreaming up new features to differentiate themselves and justify their high prices (though I suspect that the chipset accounts for most of the ridiculous price of 975 boards). But I must admit that improved power regulation is one of the few of them that seems to make sense to me with my admittedly undergraduate knowldge of electronics.

    Still, I can't help noticing that Asus makes a big deal about using 8-phase power and then only puts a heatsink on half the VRMs, hmmm....

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    msi boards usually get great fsb/htt clocks, but the final cpu speed isnt that good because they arent good enough when it really comes down to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by -ChEM-
    msi boards usually get great fsb/htt clocks, but the final cpu speed isnt that good because they arent good enough when it really comes down to it
    What else do you need to get CPU speed then? I thought that you only need HTT/'fsb' as far as the CPU is concerned (and voltage obviously).

    You can run a divider to the rest of the system.

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    well as an example you can still get a high htt (low multi) on a board that has poor control of the vcore

    but when you try and go for raw cpu speed it doesnt have a chance compared to a well built board (that may even have a lower max htt)

    that was what the msi neo2/4 boards were like... especially given that the neo2 boards were quite soon after nf2 the htt clocks seemed amazing (i dont remember what they were, they might be crap today) but they had bad voltage fluctuations which meant they were useless when they had to deal with something genuinely stressful

    i dont know enough about board design to say it but presumably you can build a board to have a high htt and still cut corners elsewhere that lead to lower abilities with cpu and ram

    review sites have an impossible task when they test OCing potential, they dont have enough time and even if they did they wouldnt know if it was just a dud board or an overly lucky one

    generally high HTT means good board because it comes down to good components but its not the whole story

    in the end the only way to make a cheap board is to use cheap components

    but a good board takes good (expensive) components, integration and design which is a lot harder

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    I didn't bother reading about HTT, but I know Intel's motherboard model very well, when it comes to overclocking you need a stable and well cooled chipset, and good power regulation. Now Asus don't just put in heatpipes and passive coolers on the mofits and 8-phase power distribution just because it looks good, it really does stablise voltages over increasing amperage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt
    Asus don't just put in heatpipes and passive coolers on the mofits and 8-phase power distribution just because it looks good, it really does stablise voltages over increasing amperage.
    But as I pointed out above, the PW5DH only has a heatsink on half the VRMs.

    In fact, the reports I've been reading over on XS indicate that this board runs pretty hot, and people are recommending the use of an extra fan (and not the dinky toy fan Asus includes) to cool the northbridge.

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    i'm so temped by the conroe its annoying, i know i dont need one but i want one!

    As soon as the conroe is released hexus better do a full mobo test with all the boards available aswell as the variations of CPU's and their overclockablitity.



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    Quote Originally Posted by charleski
    But as I pointed out above, the PW5DH only has a heatsink on half the VRMs.

    In fact, the reports I've been reading over on XS indicate that this board runs pretty hot, and people are recommending the use of an extra fan (and not the dinky toy fan Asus includes) to cool the northbridge.
    what fan?.. most of Asus's modern boards use a passive NB heatsink.. Premium models use heatpipes to move heat away from the NB.
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    This model comes with a fan that clips onto the heatsink over the VRMs for use if you are using water-cooling on the CPU. From the photos it looks pretty small though.

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    That's weird, my motherboards NB hardly goes over 31C at default clock/voltages in the summer.. Although I do admit that I have an XP-120 strapped onto the CPU and I regreased the NB heatsink with AS5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charleski
    This model comes with a fan that clips onto the heatsink over the VRMs for use if you are using water-cooling on the CPU. From the photos it looks pretty small though.
    I could do with that about now, WC CPU at 23 degrees, VRM's reporting 44

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