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I'm building an E6600 system and planned to use this mobo.
However, I've read somewhere that the machine won't boot unless it has the latest Bios update that supports Core2 Duo.
Most websites don't seem to tell you what board versions they're selling.
Anybody know a retailer who will guarantee their boards have the latest Bios?
I think the P5B has always supported C2D, if it doesnt all new board sent out by Asus will have latest bios on it.
There is like a 90%(Probly more) that it will have a pretty new bios.
If you really feel worried, just phone scan get them to test the board for faults, and update the bios to the latest. Its costs around £12 i think.
Thanks for the quick reply........
It was the P5Wdh that had the problems originally.
The shipping bios with the P5B will get you up and running, but it can be fussy about ram.
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Originally Posted by Clunk
Really? Haven't heard about that anywhere.
What does it like/not like?
Only the shipping bios...it didnt like some ocz platinum that I had, and there were quite a lot of people having probs with g.skill at the time, but I havent heard anyone complain about it for a while, so maybe the shipping bios is a later one now?
I've mailed Asus and Scan about this issue....will report back the replies here.
I have this mb, an E6600 and G.Skill RAM - never had any compatibility problems or BIOS issues FWIW.
Chks
I have the GeIL that many are buying due to the price, and it and this board (minus the WiFi) was all good straight out of the box.
Yeh i thought it was just the P5W DH Deluxe, although i had the P5W and it shipped with a good bios that supported C2D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
I think the problem with some memory is more due to the boards default ram voltage but I have GSkill which requires a little more than some but was recognised and has worked fine.
did you have any issues at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by this_is_gav
im lookin to get this board or the gigabyte DS4 with a E6600 & the geil ram, but ive read so many stories about different problems im not sure where to go lol
No issues what-so-ever. Running at 3.3GHz 1:1 at 4-4-4-12, and at 2.1v
Simplest overclock I've ever had to do - I pushed it to 3.6GHz without doing anything to volts, and it didn't work, but I couldn't be bothered to tweak it - it's not like you'll notice the difference between 3.3 and 3.6 lol.
The only Core2Duo processor that does not work correctly on this board is the E4300. To get the E4300 working on the P5B Deluxe WiFi-AP you need the latest BIOS version 1004 which can be downloaded from the Asus website. The problem is that you will not get a POST with the E4300 installed, so you will need to have an alternative LGA775 processor in order to update the BIOS. If you have an E6xxx Core2Duo processor you should have no problem and will not need to update the BIOS.
I have been using the E4300 with bios 804 for a couple of weeks and got some pretty decent overclocks (see the E4300 overclocking thread), the 1004 bios is actually worse for me as it seems to make a mess of the dividers.
I've got this board too, it's fairly good apart from the wifi adapter which is pretty poor to be honest, it's always dropping the connection!
No reply from Asus directly, but their website indicates the
C2D has been compatible since Bios 0302.....
Scan still offer the Bios updating service for the fainthearted (like me!) at £10 +VAT and will flash the mobo before shipment if you arrange by telephone.
This will be my first overclocking adventure and I've downloaded all the 'how tos' I can find.
However, if anyone who has actually overclocked the E6600 would like to email me privately, with advice/tips....I would be eternally grateful.
Does anyone know what Stepping is currently out in retail?
So does the E4300 not work out of the box with the P5B Deluxe WiFi?
I have been thinking about going this route but want to make sure that it will work without having to update the BIOS out of the box.
According to therover.....
"The only Core2Duo processor that does not work correctly on this board is the E4300. To get the E4300 working on the P5B Deluxe WiFi-AP you need the latest BIOS version 1004 which can be downloaded from the Asus website. The problem is that you will not get a POST with the E4300 installed, so you will need to have an alternative LGA775 processor in order to update the BIOS. If you have an E6xxx Core2Duo processor you should have no problem and will not need to update the BIOS."
I got one with scan for me e6300 and it works fine... :) overclocks nicely!
Clunk seems to have been using his e4300 fine with the 804 BIOS as he posted a few posts before this.Quote:
Originally Posted by billbruen
I have indeed, and it worked perfectly, although the E4300 doesnt seem to like to work with lower multis on this board, regardless of the bios version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splash
If you get the board from scan, it is worth paying the £10 to have it flashed to the latest bios.
Thanks for clearing that one up for me guys. I wish I had the money for the motherboard now because its on scan's today only :( ill ask them to re-flash it when i put my order in next month.
just built my E6600 & ASUS P5B Deluxe system. no probs at all ( i dont know what i was worried about lol) all work straight out of the box. just need some decent memory as the Kingston 533 stuff made my 3Dmark score lower than the old AMD X2 4200 DDR400 system :confused:
Heeelp....!!!
OK, built the rig, running Vista Ultimate.
Everything stable at stock.
After playing around, eventually got up to 3.6....booting into Vista was OK....temps reasonable....ran Memtest for 2 hours, no problems.
However, Orthos and Prime 95 both reported errors after about 8 seconds....think hardware failure was also mentioned.
Reset Bios settings to conservative levels...reran Prime for a few minutes....no problems reported. Shutdown machine and went to bed.
Today, machine won't boot....I mean NOTHING happens when Power button is pressed.
Some power is obviously getting through....Asus mobo light is on and some illuminated cables.
Do I have a PSU problem? I bought Seasonic 'cause the word was they make quality kit.
Could I have damaged the PSU? Could that be the hardware failure Prime mentioned?
Is there anything I can do, short of buying a new PSU?
I'm keeping tabs on this, as I had a seasonic in the original p5b deluxe wifi and it wouldn't boot after I connected everything. Should be getting a replacement from Scan soon as I suspected the board was DoA.
What seasonic do you have? I have the S12 600W one
Dont panic yet :)
Have you cleared the cmos? 3600 is quite a large overclock, and you may just have buggered that up (technical term there). To be sure, unplug the psu cable out of the back, wait till the lights on the motherboard fade out, press the power switch again (while its still unplugged), this will discharge any eleccy left in the board. Remove the ram. Now take out the battery, and set the cmos jumper to clear....leave it like that for a couple of hours. replace the cmos jumper to its normal setting, put the battery back in, put ONE stick of ram in and it should boot.
If it doesnt, there are other things you can try.
im doing fine with my P5B deluxe on 0714 (i think) and an e6600
Mind I havent had any performance increase over the DS3 I had
I have the S12 600 as well.....
I'll try what Clunk suggests, although I believe I did do a number of successful reboots before shutting down for the night.
My guts are telling me duff PSU, so I'm off down to Maplins to buy one of their PSU testers.........
The psu might be working fine, but yours could be one of the ones with an incompatibilty. I would try the cmos clear first. You can test if the psu works by shorting the green pin and the black pin next to it on the psu with a paperclip, you should plug something into a molex socket, like a fan controller with some fans so there is some current being used and turn on the psu with the switch.
Just received my new Asus P5B Deluxe today :mrgreen:
As others have mentioned, it was the P5W mobo that intially had problems with C2D.
I would not bother getting Scan to update the BIOS for you. Instead I would spend the money on a USB flash drive (eg. Corsair Flash Voyager) which will come in handy when you want to update the BIOS again in the future, and also allow you to easily recover from a corrupted BIOS (plus you can use it for general storage and ReadyBoost if using Vista).
You mentioned you will be overclocking, so any experience will come in handy and stand you in good stead. I've never done any PC bulding or overclocking before either so I'm in the same boat, but after reading the mobo manual the BIOS upgrade procedure appears very simple.
OT quick question - the mobo comes with 4 x DDR2 DIMM sockets. Channels A1, A2, B1 and B2. I have 2 x 1GB GeIL RAM modules and want it to run in dual-channel mode. Would I be right in thinking that I should install one module in channel A1 and the other in B1 ?
Did you get an E4300? and it booted ok? What bios did it come with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Defenestration
Memory in the EDIT: "yellow" slots.
I haven't got my CPU yet. I was leaving it till last as it was the most likely to go down in price. I'm looking to get an E6400, although may get an E4300. I'll post back here once I've built it.
The black slots appear to be channels A2 and B2. Does it matter whether it's A1 and B1 (ie. the yellow ones) or A2 and B2 ?
Well, if you get an E4300, you may well need to get the bios flashed by whoever you get it off, unless you have a spare 775 cpu kicking around :)
Ive had the best performance from the yellow slots.
I just noticed I said black slots in the post above, sorry, I was miles away :)
Or if you want, you can wait for me to try my E4300 and see what happens. If I don't need the celeron I got for the flash then I could pass it on to you :)
Looking forward to getting my replacement on Monday
Posted a comment about Scan a few minutes ago which has disappeared into the ether.....is there a censor round here?
Anyway...Maplins tester says I have no -5v.....would that stop the machine starting?
Clunk, you're a wizard, your suggestion worked. But, why did the 2 hour Cmos clear work rather than resetting for 10 seconds or so?
Anyway, I assume I can replace my second stick of Ram now and carry on overclocking more conservatively??
/slips on wizards cloak and hat
I think it just allows all the current to drain from the cmos, and any capacitors and that allows the cmos to completely clear. If anyone knows any different, I would like to know as well :)
Yes, you can add your second stick of ram, but first, take out the stick that is in, and swap it for the other one and see if its ok. Quite often, when the board is dead like that, one of the sticks of ram is dead or dying, so its worth checking.
Another thing to do is, once you have established that the ram is ok, grab the latest bios and update it, then do a quick cmos clear (about a min, no need to take out the battery), and then go back into the bios and manually enter the ram timings and subtimings and VOLTAGE!!!!!, this is important for stability.
OK, going to work on this now, however my Bios is the latest....only did it the other day.
My Scan comment was to the effect that I was charged for a Bios update (I asked for the 'latest'), but when I built the machine, I didn't have the 'latest'.....
Is it necessary to run both Orthos and Prime95 to check stability?....or, will just one of them do?
Run orthos blend test. If you keep ram at 1:1, you should be able to avoid another episode like this :) (unless of course you go over 3.6ghz)
Is there some quirk/setting with Vista that I'm missing?
Company of Heroes won't even BEGIN to install ,although the forums and the game documentation say it runs with Vista.
When I look at at the DVD with Explorer, to kick off Setup manually, Explorer displays no files (as though the disk is empty).
When I look at the disk with my XP machine, I can see all the files.
I think youll get more answers to that on the operating systems and applications forum :)
OK, thanks Clunk.....
Machine sometimes seems reluctant to boot and/or will sometimes reset Bios to defaults.
I'm not sure if motherboard drivers installed properly as I did have some issues using the Asus DVD on first build.
I did get Orthos to run for 12 hrs at 3.4.
Do you think could be a motherboard driver issue or an o/c issue, or a combination of both?
When it does that, it is because it is objecting to something, usually a bad overclock, as in, if you are trying to run your ram at speeds that it cant do, same with the cpu etc.
Make sure that you have the correct voltage set for your ram, and that if you have to clear the cmos, that you re enter all the timings.
While I remember...
Set your cpu to 266, ram to 533, everything stock, no extra voltages, and see if you can still recreate the problem, chances are, you wont be able to.
It could just be something as simple as your cpu doesnt overclock well, or that Seasonic PSU is one of the batch of incompatible ones, in which case, ring seasonic and get them to swap you a new one out :)
Thanks Clunk, but can you see anything untoward below? I was confident that I wasn't 'overpushing'........
CPU Freq......377 x 9 ....3393
Dram Freq.....DDR2-754MHz (Patriot rated at 800)
Memory Voltage...2.1 (Patriot std)
FSB....1508
vCore....1.4375v
Timings...4,4,4,12 (Patriot std)
Running 1:1
Patriot will, I believe, go up to 1.12GHz at 2.5v
Ooops.....only just seen your last post....what's this about Seasonic incompatibility and how do I prove it's incompatible?
I think, if you ring seasonic and tell them, they will be able to tell you if your psu is affected.
Settings look ok. Did you do memtest on the ram?
Run memtest test 5 for a few hours at the timings and speeds you are running now and see if you get any errors.
OK, but what might it be incompatible with?
Some S12 PSUs had a problem with some Asus boards. Have a google, you should come up with something :)Quote:
Originally Posted by billbruen
This might help some people......
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page5.html
Seems a bit unfortunate for PSU manufacturers (and consumers), if Asus implement a 'feature', without discussing the possible implications with the PSU manufacturers.....apparently.......
I agree, not all units are affected though. I had the exact same issue with the commando and Enermax Galaxy, they just sent one out and told me to hand the old one back to Berk from city link :D
I got mine from Scan.
Think they would be sympathetic to a 'possible' incompatibility and what 'guarantee' would there be that the replacement would be any better?
No idea, I dont work for scan, but if I did, I would give you a free upgrade to a 750w and a QX6700 cpu, and a stupid frog CD as a way of apology.
Cor...! You're such a nice guy.......
I've emailed Scan now, about a swap.....I'm not expecting them to be as accommodating.....I'll keep the thread informed.
BTW, a little thing I discovered about the Asus Bios upgrade (floppy method), not explicitly mentioned by Asus......Asus flash programme AND the new Bios will not fit on one floppy.
You have to use two floppies and reference your b: drive in your Dos command.
I can see how the PSU could impact my startup problems, but it wouldn't explain my other problems with Explorer and games surely?
I'm using NEC AD7170S Sata DVD drive.....anyone aware of any issues here?
Ring Seasonic directly, probably quicker :)
PSU problem…..no response from Scan yet….
Rang Seasonic Netherlands…..spoke to a pretty girl…. (I can tell she was pretty due to magical powers only available to men of a ‘certain age’)!
Conversation went something like this…….
Pretty Girl: “Can I help you”?
Bill: <Explains problem..>
Pretty Girl: “Ooh….I think I need to pass this to Technical Support: can we ring you back?”
Bill: <Looking at watch, thinking, I need to be leaving the house in a few hours> ….. “About how long will it take you to call back?”
Pretty Girl: “About three days….?”
Bill: <ROFL>
Their ONE techie covering Europe, was away on a business trip.
So, I rang Seasonic, California tonight…..spoke to a guy who asked me to send him an email which he would pass to their Tech Support….now done.....waiting
At least you are heading in the right direction now (hopefully :D)
If you dont get anywhere and decode to change your psu, I can recommend Enermax as having some of the best customer service I've experienced for a long time :)
Hmmm....may ask them if they have a Model that is definitely compatible....if I get no joy with Scan/Seasonic.
I've Used the Galaxy, Galaxy DXX, Liberty 620w and Noisetaker 485w on the P5B and not had any problems with any of them. It was the commando that caused the trouble. :)
Edit: You mean Seasonic dont you, ignore me :D
This isnt the first compatibility issue Asus boards have had with PSUs.
Remember the Antec NeoHE's last year.
They just wouldnt work with the Asus boards at all.
Antec blamed Asus!
Asus blamed Antec!
Asus....eventually held their hands upo as the culprit.
What's the approved way to post screendumps and other screen images here?
Photobucket will do.
Reply from Scan today........
"Hi
Unfortunately due to the length of time you have had the product we would be unable to accept the item back for refund or exchange. We allow 7 days for the return of products purchased that are not suitable for any reason.
Apologies for any inconvenience caused."
If something just doesn't work properly (not fit for purpose)....does their self imposed 7 days hold any water?.
Still waiting reply from Seasonic.
How long have you had it?
Conact Scan through their forum area on this forum.
Believe I picked the Scan stuff up circa 23.Feb......but didn't start the build till about 6.Mar, awaiting other components.
Trouble is, unless Seasonic confirm some kind of incompatibility, I'm probably stuffed (technical term).
With some kind of backing from Seasonic, I could probably push harder?
Try and sell it and cut your losses. Either advertise it here, or eBay it.... Say it's new (it pretty much is).
I think scan will refund if it is inside a month and there is a problem with it, unless they have changed things?
There was definately an issue with the S12, I remember reading about it. I'll see if I can find it.
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Originally Posted by DecomposingStar
Remind me not to buy anything off Decomposingstar. :lol:
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
Thanks Clunk......
:mrgreen: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
oooo im reet dodgy, me!
Received from Seasonic today........
Hi Bill,
I was told that we have to send you a psu for replacement.
Please fill out the attached RMA Request form for me.
So I can process your RMA ASAP.
Best Regards,
Kevin Han
Seasonic Electronics, Inc. (USA)
Hi Bill,
I just forwarded your email RMA to our Europe contact window for you.
Best Regards,
Kevin Han
Seasonic Electronics, Inc. (USA)
I have posted a little summary of this chain of events in the Scan forum, and also emailed Personal Computer World hardware guy, who likes to keep abreast with this kind of stuff.
Is that all they said? At least they are sorting it and not brushing you under the carpet :)
Good luck with this and keep us posted.
Yeah....no other comment. I may try fishing a little with the contact Kevin.
hmm that seems news to me, im using an S12 600W with my P5B Deluxe with no problems (other than my X-fi being very intermittent)Quote:
Originally Posted by Clunk
I emailed Kevin again......
They're not giving too much away however.
His response was (to the effect) that my current PSU should be OK with a different (non Asus) mobo.
I take this to mean that they are accepting I may have an incompatibility, currently, and are prepared to help, just in case.
I don't care too much whether they hold their hand up officially or not: I'm just pleased to be getting some help, without being told to p*** off, because my seven days are up.
In any case, if the article (link) I posted earlier is correct, and I was asked to attribute 'blame' for how the 'incompatibility' occurred, I'd have to say that I think Asus are to blame for implementing a 'feature', apparently without warning/discussing the issue with the PSU manufacturers.
finlay666, the link I posted earlier said that Seasonic had now modified their design.
It could be you were lucky and myself unlucky, in what we got off the shelf.
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Originally Posted by finlay666
Read back a bit, I posted the links to the info :)
got probs with mines just set up with e6600 and ocz ram and i get the asus board light
and when i start it up
all i can hear is my x850 xtpe fan and thats it :(
no posting
tried a few times to reset cmos , but nowt :(
try running on one stick of ram
i did :( still nowtQuote:
Originally Posted by staffsMike
im not even getting to bios screen :(
when i take the ram out ( ie no ram) then there is a continual bleeping ?
I'm out of ideas then unless it is a short or something.
Tried each stick of RAM in each slot? sounds silly but one of mine needed a particular stick in a particular slot to boot.
when i push the on switch it nearlt starts and then stops , and then in 2 seconds starts the fans whizzing but no booting and fans keep going, i will have to try some other ram
ok back again :)
got my bro to get some ram from work
4 x 256 ( beggars cant be choosers ) of hp (crucial ram ) pc 4200 ram
now its posting :)
next prob is can not get my original hard drive with xp etc... to boot on new mobo? it was a xp black edition and kinda liked it as all apps etc were working sweet , will i have to put a fresh drive in and load xp or is there a way around ,
will i have to update bios on mobo to gte my ocz rev.2 platinums to work ? also change voltage ??
Which OCZ Platinum is it? How many sticks? And which bios do you have?
i have ocz platignum 2 x 1gb its rev 2 pc2 6400
as for bios im not sure yet as soon as i boot pc up i will repost it ( how do i know where to find version ?)