F22 showing off :)

[Lowe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUgPscDjf7U

Enjoy

[Gerrard]

Pah! The Eurofighter can do the same. Except the flips at the top of a climb (lack a thrust vectoring). But then, looking at that video, the F22 drops quite a bit to regain its energy. The Eurofighter also can't "hover" vertically because the software takes over from the pilot!

Still pretty impressive. Pity the Americans are too scared to put it in the air at the same time as us

Also is 3 times cheaper and can carry more weapons

[kalniel]

Have you seen the show of the Mig29 it think? Didn't just hover vertically, it then dropped tail first in a contolled manner before recovering to normal attitude. It was some years ago now, and stunned the western world as we didn't imagine building engines that could fire up while air was flowing through them in the wrong direction.

[YorkieBen]

alot of aircraft can perform that manouever (Su-30 I think it was), the Typhoon should be able to do it too (dependent on the engines remaining lit).

The Typhoon could get thrust vectoring if money allows it

[Stoo]

SU-37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1o3rov7cB4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDXm9bt0s1Y

[BUFF]

The Typhoon could get thrust vectoring if money allows it

indeed, provision was built into the design for it from the start.

[Stoo]

I've seen the Typhoon a couple of times now - very impressive, standing it on it's tail and just hitting full thrust.. *whoosh* and it's a speck in the sky in a couple of seconds

[Lowe]

What I like about seeing the F22 do those maneuvers is that it never looks like it's on the 'edge'. Watch the Russian videos and it doesn't look very smooth to me, as if the plane really is on the edge of stability and is about to fall out the air in a bad way... The F22 never seems to be in that state - I guess due to the huge amount of computer horsepower actually flying it!

[Stoo]

Yeah, watching some of those Langley videos, the word that sprang to mind was "control"..

Although re-watching it the words "slow" and "lazy" also sprang to mind..

What we need is some Red Flag footage!

[kalniel]

I guess due to the huge amount of computer horsepower actually flying it!

Yet it can't cope with crossing the international date line?

[Stoo]

Yet it can't cope with crossing the international date line?

"Welcome to Microsoft Warmachine R2, there are 3 critical updates pending.."

[Gerrard]

I believe I read somewhere that the computers onboard the F22 actually use Intel chips . If it wasn't covered in Radar Absorbent Material, would probably be covered with "Intel Inside" stickers .

[Flibb]

This pretty good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0t_mPv6I4

[TiG]

I mean don't get me wrong it is a thing of beauty being able to fly like that, but strictly speaking in this world of kill your opponent from 80km+ away if you get him on radar is this ability to do all this funky stuff really needed in a military air jet?.

I'm sure the tech is pretty smart and these machines might be useful for investing time and effort to give this kind of vectoring space travel.

TiG

[Flibb]

During the original Gulf war the coalition found it surprisingly difficult to shoot down its enemy using long range missiles. One intrepid Iraqi pilot managed to evade a grand total of 30 missiles in his unsuccessful attempt to bag an AWACS, but he did manage to scare the US AWACS off its patrol so it had to return to base. Without AWACS the fighters lose the ability to tell where the enemy is coming from, and by flying low and hard the attacker can get the upper hand.

Just about everybody thought dog fighting died out in WW2, but the US found out that long range missile armed aircraft will often lose out to more agile short range missile and cannon armed opposition, this resulted in the creation of the top gun academy. Once again high maneuverability fighters seem to be the order of the day, all air forces want them, maybe because the shoot from afar tactics don't work that well. ALso in order to be able to use long range missiles you have to be high, this opens you up to ground mased missile.

One reason the back flip manouvers are so popular is they allow you to launch at an enmy behind you, most of the current Russian designs have rear facing radar, they have trialled rear firing missiles, not sure if they have been deployed yet.

[Flibb]

ANotehr point is that if they were not required international buyers wouldnt buy them, India has recently purchased a number of thrust vectored Sukhoi