Well Me Saitek Cyborg3D Gold joystick turned up at around 11.00 today followed about an hour later with LOMAC, bloody heel guess ive got a lot to learn before bein on a par with u guys. Anyway been goin through the tutorials, slowly gettin to grips with stuff ( havnt read the manual yet, but its a bloke thing not to i suppose ) seems a F**ckin cool game and I think its one that I will stick with until sussed cos in the future when im a little better I wouldnt mind checkin out the online play with u guys ( if you dont mind a newb taggin along ) Anyway gotta go study some more methinks