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    Do books help you fly Il-2?

    I know the depth of feeling is better with knowledge, but has anyone ever actually felt they got better at this game BECAUSE they read a particular book?

    Just a thought

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    In terms of combat tactics etc reading first hand accounts of how tactics were put into action have helped a little. Geoffrey Wllum's account of running out of ammo while shooting up a Dornier then having to turn fight and escape from a 109 was interesting. Two lessons, A, don't use up all your ammo if there are still bandits about, B, if you do use up all you ammo get out quick, C, if you use up all your ammo and get engaged, act like you have ammo, then scarper when the other guy flinches (in this case he out turned the 109, bringing it to its dynamic stalling point, deliberately watching for the vortices coming from its wing tips, then dived for the deck and legged it). That's three lessons!

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    blimey.....theres one good case then

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    Dammit I need to buy IL2!

    You guys sound like you have so much fun. I guess I should dust-off my Microsoft Sidewinder 3D Pro Plus... and get reading
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    what you should do is dust off your Micrsoft Sidewinder, and then chuck it in the bin

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    This is part of the Wellum passage, had to share.

    My guns fire a few rounds then stop. Try firing again. Nothing. Sod it, out of ammo. Not a very intelligent thing to do, leave yourself with nothing. Should always keep something in hand but, no matter, he's had it, I'm sure.

    I watch him losing height fast and on fire and, in a leisurely fashion, I break away. Home, James.

    A flash, bright like magnesium and a sharp, very loud explosion. Something like red steaks pass the cockpit from somewhere astern. Very distinctively i hear the hiss as it goes past. I can even smell something: Cordite? Phosphorus?

    More explosions behind me; a frightening noise I can't place as more tracers go tearing past. It is only a fraction of a second before it registers, but even that delay is too long.

    I've been hit.

    I've behaved like a beginner, bounced from behind. My own fault, I shouldn't have relaxed after i'd finished off that bloody Heinkel. Elementary rule number one: never relax vigilance. I asked for it and got it; caught napping, well and truly bounced. So this is how a fighter pilot dies........

    ......I keep turning, keep going, and the 109 tucks in behind me in a very determined manner. Round and round and still he sticks there, glued to my tail. this chap can fly, I fancy; a old hand....

    ...I start to black out. Must be pulling six G. Musn't go black if I can help it. Lean forward, raise my feet on to the rudder pedal extensions; God, they're heavy.

    the Spit judders, a high speed stall. You can hold a Spitfire on this judder if you're good. Hold on, Geoff! Hold on to this turn. Fly her like hell.....

    ....maybe I've gained a little on him. Try to get a little height on him as well if you can, Geoff. Clearly and plainly I see that mottled paint is peeling from the leading edge of his wing....

    ...The german pilot is trying to tighten his turn still more to keep up with me and I'm sure i see the 109 flick. You won't do it mate, we're on the limit as it is. I can see his head quite clearly and even the dark shape of his oxygen mask. Yet again, I imagine that the 109 gives a distinct flick, on the point of a high-speed stall. He has to ease his turn a fraction. The Spitfire gains slowly. I exhault and yell at him....

    The 109 finally comes out of his turn and pulls up, trying to gain height on me. As he climbs he goes into another steep turn, very steep, well over the vertical. I look up at him but he has made his effort and failed...

    This is it, now get the hell out of it! Stick over and roll on to my back; let her go. Stick centre, take off the bank and pull through hard into a half roll. Throttle still open and hold the vertical dive. Now, stick over again and aileron turn down to the deck. All this is instinctive...


    My heart gets pumping just reading and typing that, got knows what it was like to actually do it. But a good writer like Wellum translates his experience to the reader so well
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    Yeah, Wellums book is tops.

    The only use I find for the books is to hold down my 'repeat action' macro key in UO when I'm training up a new character...
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    that is good.....so exciting. Just read it out loud....more effect that way.

    The customers here in the showroom WILL understand if it kills me

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    Yes Fighter Combat & Tactics by Robert Shaw is the Bible and a must...This book WILL improve your understanding of defelection shooting, moves etc. If youve ever trusted my word trust me now and buy this book Zak. If it doesnt help your game I will pay you whatever it costs you

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    Quote Originally Posted by MA_Moby
    My heart gets pumping just reading and typing that, got knows what it was like to actually do it. But a good writer like Wellum translates his experience to the reader so well
    Well I know what i feels like just flying IL2 and getting pumped up from this sort of action, I can't even begin to imagine the fact that this would be putting my life on the line time and time again!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiG
    I can't even begin to imagine the fact that this would be putting my life on the line time and time again!.
    ditto that matey

    Dak..I shall do as you request. Promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33
    ditto that matey

    Dak..I shall do as you request. Promise.

    Dont pay more than £15 notes for a decent 2nd hand copy mate If you cant find it cheaper than that I shoild be able to pick one up for you for £10 to £15 Oct time

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    THANK YOU....shall look

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