Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 26

Thread: One handed or two handed?

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Posh Sevenoaks,UK
    Posts
    565
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Question One handed or two handed?

    HI,
    Something thats occurred to me when using my 2 handed sword, if I use a 2 handed sword , Im not using a shield, do I as a result of this take more damage from hits as I do not block hits with a shield?

    If I watch my health during a battle is does seem to go down alot faster when using a 2 handed weapon - any ideas if this is the case?

    Ive noticed that there doesnt seem to be many people using 2 handed weapons?

    cheers
    Reginald
    Antec P160/Abit IC7Max3/P4 3.02Ghz/PC3200 1GB/120GB Seagate Barracuda/Zalman CP7000/Radeon 128MB PRO with Arctic cooling/120mm fans


    Yamaha YZF R6 2004 (Red)

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Portugal
    Posts
    93
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    i use polearms all the way , since im a hunter and i cant use shields , and i dont like double , so i went for polearms because they are rare and they are usually powerfull weapons.

    My headhunting spear kicks but ... and some other parts of my foe.
    WoW

    Ravenblood - lvl 56 Troll Hunter - Mining/Eng

    Dumac - lvl 18 Druid - Herb/Alc

  3. #3
    I took the road less traveled by Scientist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    536
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts
    Yep as your armour value is much lower without the shield you doconsequently take more damage per hit - for example, when using my 2h axe my armour is approx 3000 this gives me a 42% reduction in total damage per hit - when using my sword and shield I have an armour value of approx 4500 this gives me a 52.5% reduction in damge per hit

    Therefore if we assume a given monster hits for 100 damge per swing of his weapon:

    with my 2h axe Im getting whacked for 58 hit points per smack

    with sword and shield Im taking a comparatively lower 47.5 damage per crack around the head

    For tanking perposes shield makes you more effective coupled with defensive stance and sheild bash/sheild wall/taunt, however I prefer the increased damage a 2h weapon gives me.

    In the end it depends on the style of play you choose.

    Any more questions feel free to ask here or in game (Velan)
    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
    Enwrought with golden and silver light,
    The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
    Of night and light and the half-light,
    I would spread the cloths under your feet:
    But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Posh Sevenoaks,UK
    Posts
    565
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    thanks that sums it up well I guess Im too addicted to 2 handed swords tbh ...must be an ego problem

    I just got a very cool Tauren shield and wall shield last night so Ill try and pick up a good 1 handed sword tonight from AH .

    ravenblood - where do u get the polearms skill from, ie. which weapon master? I think they look great but Ive never been able to use them I think? Is it the 'staff' skill from thunderhoof or is available in the human cities?
    Antec P160/Abit IC7Max3/P4 3.02Ghz/PC3200 1GB/120GB Seagate Barracuda/Zalman CP7000/Radeon 128MB PRO with Arctic cooling/120mm fans


    Yamaha YZF R6 2004 (Red)

  5. #5
    Bah Humbug. Dooms's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Stockholm
    Posts
    3,325
    Thanks
    94
    Thanked
    183 times in 141 posts
    • Dooms's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB)
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 970 1TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 2080 Super
      • PSU:
      • 750W Corsair Pro
      • Case:
      • Ncase M1 6.1
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 11 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34UC88 34-Inch 21:9
      • Internet:
      • 1GB Telenor
    The whole should i go 1h or 2h is personal choice at the end of the day, depends what you like and what your play style is...

    More dmg = 2h
    Tanking = 21h & Sheild

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Portugal
    Posts
    93
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Romanov
    thanks that sums it up well I guess Im too addicted to 2 handed swords tbh ...must be an ego problem

    I just got a very cool Tauren shield and wall shield last night so Ill try and pick up a good 1 handed sword tonight from AH .

    ravenblood - where do u get the polearms skill from, ie. which weapon master? I think they look great but Ive never been able to use them I think? Is it the 'staff' skill from thunderhoof or is available in the human cities?
    You have to go to the weapon master in undercity , and staff is diferent from polearm , so you have to go to the undercity
    WoW

    Ravenblood - lvl 56 Troll Hunter - Mining/Eng

    Dumac - lvl 18 Druid - Herb/Alc

  7. #7
    TiG
    TiG is offline
    Walk a mile in other peoples shoes...
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Questioning it all
    Posts
    6,213
    Thanks
    45
    Thanked
    48 times in 43 posts
    Its a two sided coin.

    take the following example at lvl 32 (which my warrior is now)

    AVG 1 Handed weapon stats would be about...
    (19.6 damage per second)
    +4 Spirit
    +4 Stamina

    AVG 2 Handed weapon stats would be about.
    71 - 108 Damage Speed 3.50
    (25.6 damage per second)
    +11 Strength
    +7 Stamina

    So you are talking about 6 dps difference, (Approx 30% more than the 1 handed weapon, and this is on BASE weapon damage, not including stat bonuses)

    The shield
    695 Armor
    15 Block
    +5 Stamina
    +5 Strength

    Negates the stat bonuses (~ +18 on both sets)

    And gives you another 700 armour. My armour at lvl 32 is about 1500-1600, at around 33-35% damage reduction. This is based on level and i'm guessing that the extra armour gives another 10-12% damage reduction.

    So for Sheilds to be more effective than 2 handed weapons you need to be fighting at least 3 enemies.

    Something you shouldn't be doing that much tbh
    TiG
    -- Hexus Meets Rock! --

  8. #8
    Bah Humbug. Dooms's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Stockholm
    Posts
    3,325
    Thanks
    94
    Thanked
    183 times in 141 posts
    • Dooms's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI
      • CPU:
      • 3700X
      • Memory:
      • G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB)
      • Storage:
      • Samsung 970 1TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • EVGA 2080 Super
      • PSU:
      • 750W Corsair Pro
      • Case:
      • Ncase M1 6.1
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 11 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG 34UC88 34-Inch 21:9
      • Internet:
      • 1GB Telenor
    Nice breakdown Tig

  9. #9
    TiG
    TiG is offline
    Walk a mile in other peoples shoes...
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Questioning it all
    Posts
    6,213
    Thanks
    45
    Thanked
    48 times in 43 posts
    What this doesn't take into account is AN AWFUL lot of other things for warrior.

    The higher Total damage output on a weapon the better. So when you use Cleave its doing 2 * higher damage.

    So again with those stats above on my lvl 32 warrior, Cleave with 2Handed Axe does around 150 damage per hit.

    The 1 Handed weapon would do about 115 * 2. So we're talking about 70 less. Sure you can do the hits faster with a 1 hander, and gain a bit more rage, but the talent tree for warriors has SOO many bonus's for 2handed weapons I seriously can't see any reason to use shields with warriors.

    My shaman on the other hand, I love shields all the way hehe.

    TiG
    -- Hexus Meets Rock! --

  10. #10
    I took the road less traveled by Scientist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    536
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts
    Undercity in the war quarter you'll find him, for the polearms skill that is.

    I agree that in general for warriors 2h weapons do tend to be more effective early in the game, however in the endgame instances warrior tanks are needed to take alot of the quite awsome damage dealt by the enemies there.

    Another factor which may bias your decision is the quality of equipment available, If I have a blue sword and shield I may be tempted to use that combo rather than a green 2h weapon.

    Again its definately dependant on the situation - instances being a key example.
    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
    Enwrought with golden and silver light,
    The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
    Of night and light and the half-light,
    I would spread the cloths under your feet:
    But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    459
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    I like dual weilding, 2 weapons attacking at the same time................

    Being an Orc, i automatically get a +5 axe bonus so i try to stick to axes only.........

    However with 2 weapons ive gone from a 6% miss rate to a 12%miss rate

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Posh Sevenoaks,UK
    Posts
    565
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    ahh that joyful place the undercity - I could never play the undead ..freaks me out that place - especially the howling ....

    v interesting breakdown on dps as well, so really to be an effective tank in attack stance you would still choose the 2 handed option? Only in defence would u use 1 handed. TBH Ive been thinking that 1 handed just doesnt cut the mustard but Im determined to give it a go (after I get polearms that look hard)

    I was surprised the other night that I was killing lvl26 water elementals in Ashenvale as a lvl 23 Tauren warrior, 2 handed does seem better to me.

    off to undercity *dread*

    *edit* gonna have to speed up my replies!!

    *edit2* I bought dual wield it looks ace but as you say theres no where for the skill to go atm, still you can always go to Boodhoof village and show off to the new people
    Last edited by Romanov; 23-03-2005 at 02:23 PM.
    Antec P160/Abit IC7Max3/P4 3.02Ghz/PC3200 1GB/120GB Seagate Barracuda/Zalman CP7000/Radeon 128MB PRO with Arctic cooling/120mm fans


    Yamaha YZF R6 2004 (Red)

  13. #13
    I took the road less traveled by Scientist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    536
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts
    Yep dual wield is a bit gimped at the moment i.e. no real talents available to increase its abysmal miss rate, Good for generating rage - bad for insane miss streaks
    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
    Enwrought with golden and silver light,
    The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
    Of night and light and the half-light,
    I would spread the cloths under your feet:
    But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.

  14. #14
    I took the road less traveled by Scientist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Posts
    536
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts
    1h and shield definately has its place as part of a party of players taking on elites. Imagine the scenario:

    Your in a same lvl instance i.e. the enemies are of the same level as you - Your party consists of you and 3 casters, now lvl xx elites will if given the chance kill cloth wearers very very quickly in melee combat (This is even more true when there is more than 1 attacker), therefore your role as a warrior is to hold aggro and allow the casters to rip into the elites

    As your a warrior you have very good armour and even better if using a sheild, so you equip your 1h weapon and your sheild and charge the enemy (Taking care to only take on 2 and not pull more aggro than you can handle), now you switch to defensive stance and begin with a demoralizing shout - then begin a series of taunts combined with sunder armours - at this point your casters start to kick in with some nice damage - if any of the monsters break from aggro on you either a nice challanging shout or mocking blow to bring back then back into your sunder/taunt cycle - if your close to low HP use shield wall while one of your casters heals you.

    Now this strat works even better if the elites you are fighting are casters as you can add shield bash into your routine completely ruining there effeciveness


    Also in melee mode consider using disarm every now and again.

    As a warrior against bosses, make surre and spam 5 sunder armours asap as this makes the whole fight much easier.
    Last edited by Scientist; 23-03-2005 at 02:26 PM.
    Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
    Enwrought with golden and silver light,
    The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
    Of night and light and the half-light,
    I would spread the cloths under your feet:
    But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
    I have spread my dreams under your feet;
    Tread softly, because you tread on my dreams.

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Posh Sevenoaks,UK
    Posts
    565
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts
    group fighting - now theres a book in its own right, interesting above that the tank 'takes' damage and causes ancillary damage like sunder armour but isnt expected to deal most of the damage. I guess it comes down to tactics ...interesting tho...
    Antec P160/Abit IC7Max3/P4 3.02Ghz/PC3200 1GB/120GB Seagate Barracuda/Zalman CP7000/Radeon 128MB PRO with Arctic cooling/120mm fans


    Yamaha YZF R6 2004 (Red)

  16. #16
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,157
    Thanks
    3,105
    Thanked
    3,138 times in 1,916 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy
    and from a NON WoW point of view, BUT from a warriors stand point....

    the quaicker you reduce theAMOUNT of attackers, the lower your sustained damage will be anyway.

    SO.....defending reasonably successfully against 3 enemies, is not as effective as taking one of them apart really fast, effectively taking their combined hitting power down by 1/3.

    But as I dont play I can't answer my own next question: Can you change weapons efficiently MID FIGHT?

    Cos if so,....rush in 2h....take someone/ some people apart real hard, lowering their combined hitting power be player removal, then swap to shield and 1h and rear guard action (reverse ) while assessing the situ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Left handed mice?
    By Shogun in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 16-08-2004, 01:42 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •