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Does anyone know the cheapest place to pick up a Saitek X-45 joystick and throttle? Amazon.co.uk has it at 74 quid, but I don't trust 'em. I'm thinking of retiring my logitech wingman force 3d - it seems so damned loose and imprecise (though I'll miss the force feedback). Mind you, like all bad craftsman I'm probably just blaming the tools :)
http://www.dabs.com/uk/productView.htm?quicklinx=2BYF
Dabs have it for 58.75 inc if that any help ?
or if you're feeling particularly gullible, theres a second hand one on ebay currently at £62 plus postage with some time left to go before the auction ends ;)
Gotta love ebay customers sometimes :D :D
aye been watchiing the ebay one....:D
Gone now I think? I assume it got sold for more than you can buy a new one for?Quote:
Originally posted by [MA]DanglyBob
aye been watchiing the ebay one....:D
went for £62....not including p+p
do I email the buyer with the dabs link?
:D :D :D
thanks for the dabs link
much better than the uber-capitalists at Amazon
i think i'll wait n' see what the January sales bring though
got to get my car serviced and fixed too - and that'll cost :(
Aria - £57.58 plus P&P
thanks Clingy
it keeps getting cheaper :)
I think I definitely need to replace the Logitech Wingman, it seems to be getting worse by the day
Dedicated and regular PC pilots recon you should replace your joystick every year!!!
We probably don't put the hours in that would warrant this, so every two years is probably more appropriate. I was reading something about the Cougar (Thrustmaster) all metal thingy. That has to be serviced annually (Holland I thnk).
Clingy, I've had my stick for over a year now, I think your just trying to justify your breaking of said peice of equipment so you can replace it..... :)
i've only had the 'wingman' for six months :(
Dabs £62.86 inc VAT and shipping
Aria £65.75 inc VAT and shipping
Nice site though Aria.. i hadnt heard of it before
not up to the job:(? they do take a hammering huh?Quote:
Originally posted by Mobydick
i've only had the 'wingman' for six months :(
ive got a MS precision 2, and tbpqh, its crap :D lol, cant afford another at the mo so will badger on with it, its not stiff, the throttle is easily knocked, the buttons are sticking down, its not very nice in general, but ill plod on and persist :)
X45 is an awesome stick - especially if you start playing things like LOMAC - the main trick is to remember what you have programmed where!
My throttle is buggered on the X-45 :(
It wont go all the way to the top, its a real ba$tard in lo-mac :mad:
Hehe left work today and my leaving pressie from my team is X45 :)
Shame its not bloody here yet :(
Where do you work?
Used to work for an employment agency as area manager
Can't you re-calibrate?Quote:
Originally posted by Cesium
My throttle is buggered on the X-45 :(
It wont go all the way to the top, its a real ba$tard in lo-mac :mad:
Think TiG had the same stick as you've got.... horrid thing too - like waving a broom handle in a bucket, if ya catch me drift...Quote:
Originally posted by fraggie
ive got a MS precision 2, and tbpqh, its crap :D lol, cant afford another at the mo so will badger on with it, its not stiff, the throttle is easily knocked, the buttons are sticking down, its not very nice in general, but ill plod on and persist :)
if any 1 see's a X45 in the sales POST it HERE
I can but it's the actual throttle itself thats buggered :(Quote:
Originally posted by BUFF
Can't you re-calibrate?
Cesium, try the Saitek forums... if you can't find an asnwer there, then post a new thread, the tech support guys who run the forums are INCREDIBLY helpful and very, very patient.
A quick browse over there (you'll have to register with them to see the X45 forum) shows that support will arrange for hardware repair direct by email if you post the problem in the there or contact support by e-mail.
There's a main man called Richard, who I have dealt with and is brilliant, but there's another guy called mArtin who gives plenty of advice too.
Good luck bud!
heres a linky!
http://www.saitekforum.com/
UK tech support forums are very good. Not had to deal with them myselft but there are a couple there that are very impressive
Cheers i'll give it a go later :DQuote:
Originally posted by Deckard
Cesium, try the Saitek forums... if you can't find an asnwer there, then post a new thread, the tech support guys who run the forums are INCREDIBLY helpful and very, very patient.
A quick browse over there (you'll have to register with them to see the X45 forum) shows that support will arrange for hardware repair direct by email if you post the problem in the there or contact support by e-mail.
There's a main man called Richard, who I have dealt with and is brilliant, but there's another guy called mArtin who gives plenty of advice too.
Good luck bud!
heres a linky!
http://www.saitekforum.com/
How is it actually buggered ?;)Quote:
Originally posted by Cesium
I can but it's the actual throttle itself thats buggered :(
If it is under about 14 months old it has a 2 year warranty & as has been said earlier Richard at Saitek is terrific.
WD40....Quote:
Originally posted by Tumble
Think TiG had the same stick as you've got.... horrid thing too - like waving a broom handle in a bucket, if ya catch me drift...
Marvellous Stuff..
righty ho just ordered my x-45, shud be fun :D
Fraggie where you getting it from for best price?? I need to get mine. They ordered it from PC World and its gonna be years :( SO im cancelling it and getting from else where
im getting mine from aria mate, its 3 quid more expensive the dabs at 65 quid inc everything, but i know thier reliable and a good company, have ordered from the past and have always delivered so i thort that the 3 extra quid was worth it :)
Don't Diss Dabs... 99% of the time I order stuff on standard delivery it turns up before 9am via Parcel Force.
err i didn't diss dabs, i was just stating that from my previous experience with aria i have found them to be superb, 100% of the time i might add (for myself) i have never seen a bad review written about them, as for dabs...
^^ what he said...
It;s all down to personal experience I guess.. but basically every comapny has problems.. and I for one have never had any problems with Dabs.. and shall q happily order from them again.
You guys can get too caught up in this its a reliable company stuff sometimes.. the comnpany is only as reliable as the person that sticks the stamp on your envelope.. and pple change jobs all the time.
Save your money.. or better still send me the 3 quid..
In fact if you both order unecassarily from the more expensive place,, then could you both send me 3 quid?
i tried the X-45 and absoloutely hated it! i cant use a joystick that doesnt have a twist rudder function anyway but most importantly i thought it was tacky and awkward to use, the build quality was not good....
at the moment i have a logitech cordless freedom 2.4 which is ace quality but just not as functional as i would like, its hard having to rely on the keyboard for a lot of functions. Theres a very noce throttle & stick called cougar & i think im gonna get this soon
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
ahh yes clingy was thinking of that but due to the possible indentation in the walls, we had to stop him from buying it :D
lol - well i just ordered it :rolleyes:
hmmm........ I didn't realise the X-45 didn't have a twist grip.
Looking at the Cougar stick Amazon has it listed at $249.
Maybe I can live without a twist grip :)
It looks good - but $249 for a joystick! For that I could buy an x-45 and a set of rudder pedals; and have money to spare for beer!
well it costs 270gbp here............. but damn its a nice stick ;)
I hate twist grips meself - too loose :(
The X-45 does me, don't like the look of that one though^
You look at your Joystick?......
:p
I've got a monitor for looking at...
looks good, feels great but can have a lot of problems.Quote:
Originally posted by acupuncture
well it costs 270gbp here............. but damn its a nice stick ;)
Better get familiar with the forums at
http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/
Should have gone CH Pro! :)
ARIA!!!
When you all get yours and you want a sample config (full version) let me know. Also dont forget to get yourself a couple of small cable ties.
Cougar....mmmmm...hope you read up about them ;)
Well Im expecting it tomorrow fingers crossed so Ill be fancying for a while I guess...
Can I live without Force Feed back?
Can I get on with no twist grip?
LOL might be a second hand x45 about before weekend
you'll never survive without the ffb matey... I was awash at the LAN.... but then I was lucky I had a stick at all.. nublet..
why go CH Pro whats better or worse with this combination?Quote:
Originally posted by BUFF
looks good, feels great but can have a lot of problems.
Better get familiar with the forums at
http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/
Should have gone CH Pro! :)
i can still cancel and change my mind? so advice would be appreciated
I saw a detailed analysis recently about these. The X45 build quality is not as good as the cougar and CH. But many regular flight jocks recommend changing your stick every year. This is quite possible with the price of the X45. The cougar needs to be serviced annually (in Holland I think), which certainly adds to the cost. So it could be
1) Cougar - Serviced annually.
2) A new X45 each year.
hmm, looking on the aria website mine aint been sent to citylink yet, means i wont get it before 2morrow at the earliest, ahh well.Quote:
Originally posted by [MA]Dak[GSV]
Well Im expecting it tomorrow fingers crossed so Ill be fancying for a while I guess...
Can I live without Force Feed back?
Can I get on with no twist grip?
LOL might be a second hand x45 about before weekend
Without ffb u learn to notice other elements in the planes behaviour, ive played with ffb and ive noticed u can "feel" the stall coming, it shakes a certain way. without it (like im having to do at the moment) u can hear this coming, also u can see the wingtips smokin a little when ure on the edge. I think u will be able to live without it, ive never had a ffb joystick / wheel, in gpl i was a fine racer often winning races, in fb ive yet to fulfil my early potential :D
The CH Pro stuff just works & goes on working.Quote:
Originally posted by acupuncture
why go CH Pro whats better or worse with this combination?
i can still cancel and change my mind? so advice would be appreciated
The throttle slides in a flat plane rather than arcing as the Cougar & Saitek do (I prefer arcing) & it doesn't have rotaries.
If you use an all CH USB setup (stick, throttle, rudders) then their software can make them appear as 1 device for older games that don't support multiple controllers.
CH are bringing out a multi-throttle quadrant in the Spring.
You should read the forums at Cougar's world.
There have been quite a few defections to CH recently with people just plain fed up with their Cougars & who couldn't/wouldn't pay the same again to get the modifications to make the stick work as they feel they should have in the first place.
e.g.
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/s...ad.php?t=53251
I have both a Saitek X36 & CH throttle & Fighterstick.
The CH is better but in no way is it 4x better (which is what it costs) but if you want to fly older sims without multiple controller support & use rudder pedals under XP then the Saitek can't do it.
Well its here, bloody tough to get used to after my old set up, found it easy to adjust to rudder bar instead of twist, and seperate throttle. The pinky trigger has had to be unbound, frankly a nightmare. Ive put the bail button as the ickle red one under the safety cap. Biggest problem is getting all the views programmed as I want them. On the whole I like it though, deffo a drop in my performance, couldnt take out an HE111 with a P40 earlier and Im usually fairly handy for 2 bombers per plane. Did pull off some nice shots on 109s although the gunsight is no more steady than it was with FFB
Ew... still can't see the appeal with these tbh. I still think my Cyborg is the dogs danglies :D
Well big attraction for me was it was free!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Skii
Ew... still can't see the appeal with these tbh. I still think my Cyborg is the dogs danglies :D
Hahaha only 1 3/4 hours left in my old job :)
1) I hate twist rudders but like having rudder control (& haven't coughed up for pedals yet)Quote:
Originally posted by Skii
Ew... still can't see the appeal with these tbh. I still think my Cyborg is the dogs danglies :D
2) seperate throttle is more realistic
3) way more options for programming but tbh that really only comes into its own with games like Falcon4, LOMAC etc. as for most prop sims you don't need all it can do.
Ooh, I dunno about that. I've quite easily reached the limit of what I can do with all the buttons on just Mode 1, I'm now experimenting with Mode 2 and 3 for more specific things such as bomber controls (engines, bomb sight etc).Quote:
Originally posted by BUFF
way more options for programming but tbh that really only comes into its own with games like Falcon4, LOMAC etc. as for most prop sims you don't need all it can do.
Dak, you do know that the pinky switch has a removable extension on it, don't you? It just prises off. It was added to make the pinky switch easy to use for small hands, but it just flips out. Also, the cover on the launch button is removable too, I've taken them both off, the launch button is far enough away to make hitting it by accident very unlikely, and with the pinkie extension gone, even my broad hands fit nicely in the stick.
I'm using all 6 modes(using the pinkie) and I have run out of buttons. My bail button is the one on the back of the stick (fire c). I use the one under the flip cover for engine start ( and also rockets - as some of you may have seen earlier today when I was in the wrong mode and tried to start my engine. Luckily the rockets soared over the heads of all my VEF teammates in front :D )
LMAO Clingy, Ive spanked loads of ammo with the pinkie trigger.
I love the throttle and the rudder bar intead of twist is LOADS better and I was a big twist fan. Dont notice the lack of force feed EXCEPT it was my *Dak your gonna tear you wings off alert* for me. I hardly ever use the speedbar for speed relying on the feel of the plane in turns and dives sok in turns but I keep ripping the wings off migs. Hence my last 2 VEFs have been bails :(
I found Deckards X45 quite a revelation......the rudder under the throttle is quite sublime.
BUT....the roller switches..the kind of twist nobs.....they are good for some games but not IL-2.....its not like we have 45 different sorts of heat seeking missile :D
However...on the whole....I would own one if not for the fact that I wanna have a FFB one day just to compare.
Clingy.....you big girl ;) why on EARTH do you need engine start on the joystick?
Wassup with "I" on the keyboard. LMAO......that's quite funny.....so please done be offended, but do you have things like Windows Start on the throttle and Media Player Pause on the joystick ?
OK..Ill go now ;)
the whole idea of the x-45 is to keep ure hands well and truely off the keyboard, ive got my engine start to a button on the throttle, this is always the ignition incase i need to kill it due to some damage or when landing.
the biggest problem ive found with it so far is it takes so flippin long to set it up lol, i still aint got it how i want it.
but from what limited time ive had to try it, its been really nice, superb compared to the precision2 i used to have
LOL Zak. The keyboard is tucked away under my screen and rarely gets used. I have virtually all keys mapped to the X45 except radio calls, but I'm working on the regular ones ATM.
The only thing I am having trouble with is getting a key mapped to pour a G&T :D .
Hence the term HOTAS ;)
Hands on throttle and stick :)
I've decided to stick with my current 'stick'.
Changing the inputs settings have made a world of difference.
Also, I'll miss the FFB too much I think.
Maybe I can put some extra money towards a better graphics card though now :)